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Dialog at the Door

dr pepper

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*ding* *dong*

Ye-es?

Good day, friend, we are here to bring you the good news of Joseph Stalin.

Um-m-m, i don't think so. Bye!

Please, hear us out. We just want a couple minutes of your time. Don't miss out on the good things that Stalin has for you!

Look, no offense but-- i've heard it all before, and it's not for me.

Truly? Can you share with us? We would like to know what your objections to Stalin are.

Wel-l-l-l, i um, i really don't like the part where if you disobey Stalin, he puts you in the Gulag. I mean, right there, how can you say Stalin is good? If anyone else did that, we'd say they were an evil tyrant!

Sigh, we hear that so much. But it's actually a misunderstanding. That's right, Stalin doesn't send anyone to the Gulag!

But, but, i've always heard--

That's not how it works. No, actually the people who end up in the Gulag are those who send themselves there.

Huh?

You see, all of us start out with a reactionary nature. You, me, my buddy here, we all have naturally subversive thoughts. By rights, we all deserve to go to the Gulag. But Stalin has withheld judgement. He has offered each of us an out, a chance to be set free from that reactionary nature and become a new soviet man. Or woman! Right, or woman too, let's not get hung up on old fashioned wording. The fact is that Stalin wants everyone to reach the Workers' Paradise! And all we have to do is turn away from our counter revolutionary activities and our bourgoise attitudes, and embrace the words of Stalin.

And if i don't?

Well if you reject Stalin's simple plan, then you reject his love and forgiveness, and must suffer the consequences.

Meaning the Gulag.

Meaning you have willfully remained in a state of subversion, and that is where it will take you.

Right. As i said, you disobey Stalin and he puts you in the Gulag.

No, he offers you a free choice.

How about i choose to not follow Stalin but i also choose not to go to the Gulag?

That choice is not available.

Like i said, i've heard it all before. Please go away.

*slam*
 
Does any of this sound familiar drkitten?

drkitten said:
So, being physically forced into a small barred room is now an "inconvenience"?
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It's not even an inconvenience, since you were offered a number of ways to avoid it and chose instead to enter the small barred room.
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Are you channelling Jesus now?
 
Please post on the topic at hand. Discuss the issues raised in the OP, or don't post.
If you believe, for example, that someone is a sock puppet, do not derail the thread - report it to the mods with any evidence, and leave it for us to deal with.

So - please post on topic: free will and limited options.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero
 
Ok, i guess i don't understand how this forum works. I've had posts not get replies before, but this is the first time i've had multiple replies, none of which seemed to be relevant to what i wrote. Can someone please clue me in?
 
dr pepper said:
Ok, i guess i don't understand how this forum works. I've had posts not get replies before, but this is the first time i've had multiple replies, none of which seemed to be relevant to what i wrote. Can someone please clue me in?
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I've been here for sometime now. If someone does clue you in, can you please PM me as I would love to know too? :o
 
Ok, i guess i don't understand how this forum works.
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You're not alone:p.

They have their bouts of childishness. I think that this time it's because the Stalin comparison has been brought up before. Still a good contribution, though, and I welcome you to the forums.

On topic:
Yes, it is incredible that believers of Hellfire can see so clearly that the rulers of Nazi Germany, North Korea, the Soviet Union, and similar nations are evil, and yet fail to see that the same applies to their own God. As I said earlier, by their logic the Nazis didn't do anything wrong when they executed Sophie Scholl - she had the choice, live in Nazi Germany and experience its glorious future... or be defiant and face beheading. The Nazis, in their infinite mercy, even gave her the option to repent her evil ways to get only a life-long prison sentence, but she refused and chose to make the Nazis behead her.

By their logic, that is.

How about i choose to not follow Stalin but i also choose not to go to the Gulag?

That choice is not available.
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Or, of course, "oh, so you want a world where no one has to take responsibility for his actions?" or "if a parent allows his kid to do as she wants, is he a good parent?", or any other of the many cop-outs they can throw at you.
 
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dr pepper said:
Ok, i guess i don't understand how this forum works. I've had posts not get replies before, but this is the first time i've had multiple replies, none of which seemed to be relevant to what i wrote. Can someone please clue me in?
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I think my youtube video was perfectly relevant. You are saying that a choice under duress is not a free choice. I agree and so does the video.
 
I can't even handle the proposed good god halfway through the 3rd one -- it's unethical even to just introduce a bunch of free-willed people into a world where they can harm each other, even without Hell.
 
Beerina said:
I can't even handle the proposed good god halfway through the 3rd one -- it's unethical even to just introduce a bunch of free-willed people into a world where they can harm each other, even without Hell.
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Still, it is head and shoulders above some popular perceptions of God.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
You're not alone:p.

They have their bouts of childishness. I think that this time it's because the Stalin comparison has been brought up before. Still a good contribution, though, and I welcome you to the forums.
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Thanks. There's a punchline to my post, btw: at worst, you only go to the Gulag for life, it's not as if Stalin is going to keep you there forever.
 
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