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Merged Derren Brown - predicting lottery numbers

No idea. But I'm fairly confident that his explanation will be bogus, something pseudo-psychological.

Athon
 
Agreed.

Does anyone know if there is a delay in broadcasting on the numbers, something that will give Derren the chance to report the numbers on his show moments before they appear to viewers on TV?

That would be so lame if that was the explanation.
 
Humphreys said:
MIND reader Derren Brown is to perform his most audacious stunt yet - predicting the lottery results.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...wn-Ill-predict-Lotto-numbers-during-show.html

Anyone care to have a guess at what this could all be about?
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"Derren Brown" is a magician i.e. someone that you pay to misdirect you and lie to you to give the appearance that he has done something that can only be explained with "magic", and therefore like most magicians you can be sure anything that he tells you in the course of his tricks will be either a lie or misdirection.

You will probably need to get someone who has studied magic to explain how he will do his trick (it is unlikely to be anything fundamentally new, just an old stand-by dressed up with new clothes).
 
At best I reckon this part:
Sadly, Derren will be filmed at a secret location as he predicts the balls tumbling out of the National Lottery machine - when it's too late for us to buy a ticket.
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could be interpreted thus:

"Sadly, Derren will be filmed at a secret location as he reveals the numbers of the balls that have, moments before, but before being broadcast, tumbled out of the National Lottery machine, such secret location conveniently housing the technology necessary to convey the information to him, and which, were it a public place, would reveal how blatantly obvious and simple the apparent deception is."
 
anyone remember the horse racing illusion he did?

Its funny because the fact trick wasnt very smart once he tells you how he did it, but theres a section in the middle where he tries to convince people he could do it and that wasnt explained at all!! I still would love to know how he did that!
 
Darat said:
"Derren Brown" is a magician i.e. someone that you pay to misdirect you and lie to you to give the appearance that he has done something that can only be explained with "magic", and therefore like most magicians you can be sure anything that he tells you in the course of his tricks will be either a lie or misdirection.

You will probably need to get someone who has studied magic to explain how he will do his trick (it is unlikely to be anything fundamentally new, just an old stand-by dressed up with new clothes).
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I know who Derren Brown is, I just don't see any way this trick can be done other than getting the numbers moments before they have been broadcast, in which case it's a simply awful trick and barely worth doing.

I hope it's something else, as it has the potential to be amazing and completely baffling if it is.
 
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Darat said:
"Derren Brown" is a magician i.e. someone that you pay to misdirect you and lie to you to give the appearance that he has done something that can only be explained with "magic", and therefore like most magicians you can be sure anything that he tells you in the course of his tricks will be either a lie or misdirection.

You will probably need to get someone who has studied magic to explain how he will do his trick (it is unlikely to be anything fundamentally new, just an old stand-by dressed up with new clothes).
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you need to work on your definition here a bit.

a magician is an actor playing the part of a magician.

the art of doing magic involves a variety of techniques of slight of hand, deception, storytelling, and more to create the illusion that something impossible has happened. darren brown is great at it. he is a swell entertainer. it's a fun brain puzzle to watch magic when well done. how it works is less germane than whether of not it fools and entertains.
 
To speculate on how he 'could' perform the illusion seems a bit pointless.
I'll reserve judgement on how he did it until I've seen the show.

But anyone who's seen Copperfield or Max Maven will know that 'prediction' illusions are commonplace in magic shows and the method will be better revealed by the actual performance... One thing's for sure, it's not paranormal :)
 
Stray Cat said:
To speculate on how he 'could' perform the illusion seems a bit pointless.
I'll reserve judgement on how he did it until I've seen the show.

But anyone who's seen Copperfield or Max Maven will know that 'prediction' illusions are commonplace in magic shows and the method will be better revealed by the actual performance... One thing's for sure, it's not paranormal :)
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I know it's not going to be paranormal, I'm more concerned it's going to be completely lame, as the idea only appears to lend itself to two possibilities:

1) getting hold of and announcing the numbers live mere moments before they have been broadcast, but after they have been drawn
2) some technique involving splicing together prerecorded footage of himself reading out each number, and then putting that out as if it was live, again, AFTER the balls have been drawn

Either way, there no way he's rigging the lottery, so he must announce them after they have been drawn, there is no other way!
 
What always baffles me is the intricate setup of these "demonstrations", when it could be so simple:

1. Derren announces he's going to win the lottery
2. Derren buys a single ticket
3. Derren wins the lottery

Now that would be something.

This will be just a show. Hopefully a good one.
 
Humphreys said:
I know who Derren Brown is, I just don't see any way this trick can be done other than getting the numbers moments before they have been broadcast, in which case it's a simply awful trick and barely worth doing.

I hope it's something else, as it has the potential to be amazing and completely baffling if it is.
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I'm not too sure what you are looking for - most magic tricks are pretty unamazing, if you know the trick; the amazing part is how it is presented.
 
pounce said:
you need to work on your definition here a bit.

a magician is an actor playing the part of a magician.

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No - an actor playing a magician is when an actor plays a magician, for example portraying Houdini in a movie. A magician is simply a type of entertainer who does what I described.
 
Darat said:
I'm not too sure what you are looking for - most magic tricks are pretty unamazing, if you know the trick; the amazing part is how it is presented.
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No matter how well presented, if everyone with half a brain knows precisely how the trick is going to work before it has started, it's just a poor and pointless trick.
 
Humphreys said:
I know it's not going to be paranormal, I'm more concerned it's going to be completely lame, as the idea only appears to lend itself to two possibilities:

1) getting hold of and announcing the numbers live mere moments before they have been broadcast, but after they have been drawn
2) some technique involving splicing together prerecorded footage of himself reading out each number, and then putting that out as if it was live, again, AFTER the balls have been drawn

Either way, there no way he's rigging the lottery, so he must announce them after they have been drawn, there is no other way!
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Well just don't bother watching then if it's going to be soooo lame. :rolleyes:

Brown's genius over the years has been his presentation of some very old tried and tested tricks. His presentation of them is usually new and interesting and his enduring popularity (and belief in his 'superpowers') bears witness to the fact that approach has been successful.

There is no way that Copperfield can fly... does that make it any the less entertaining to watch him make it look as if he can?
 
Humphries makes a valid point. This is interesting simply because there's only one real method to do this trick and it's an obvious and lame method. Not so much a question of how it's done but why he's bothering.
 
I hope this won't be the standard magician's way of "predicting" things, by writing down the prediction in such a way it couldn't possibly be tampered with (ahem), and then revealing it after the event occurs--and after there's been time to tamper with the written prediction.

Again, I don't know how it's done, but predicting newspaper headlines that way is a standard trick.

Humphries said:
Either way, there no way he's rigging the lottery, so he must announce them after they have been drawn, there is no other way!
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What he said. Honestly, I'd consider either of the two ways Humphries suggested as less lame than the usual "write it down, then reveal it afterwards" stunt.
 
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