Grammatron
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Ed said:
I really hope that when the Democrats running for president heard this news they celebrated and thought, "Ok, now we can concentrate on more important issues" instead of starting to think how else can we criticize Bush.
Well, if it really -is- Sadaam, I'm pleasantly surprised that the US military didn't kill him "while escaping".
Now we'll see if the US will release him to the Iraqis (as we should) for trial.
And then we'll see if the trial itself stirs up anti-American feeling in Iraq and around the world--and even more divisiveness. (Seems like Sadaam, at his trial, should bring up a lot of the support he received from the US during his "crimes against humanity" period in Iraq.....)
We shall see.....
Now we'll see if the US will release him to the Iraqis (as we should) for trial.
And then we'll see if the trial itself stirs up anti-American feeling in Iraq and around the world--and even more divisiveness. (Seems like Sadaam, at his trial, should bring up a lot of the support he received from the US during his "crimes against humanity" period in Iraq.....)
We shall see.....
Dancing David
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Gee Ed, I would think that the Democrats will say "Praise the higher power of choice as long as it does not interfere with the beliefs of other believers or none believers. Now what about that deficit that Bush ran up."
I think that politics is politics, just as there are those who will praise Bush for the capture of Saddam(one down!), there are those on both sides who will return to politics as usual. Because they never left them.
Dean vs. Lieberman, Lieberman is going to have start making a distinction between himself and mainstream conservatives. As long as it is not Clark!
I think that politics is politics, just as there are those who will praise Bush for the capture of Saddam(one down!), there are those on both sides who will return to politics as usual. Because they never left them.
Dean vs. Lieberman, Lieberman is going to have start making a distinction between himself and mainstream conservatives. As long as it is not Clark!
Beanbag
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The war in Vetnam didn't end because Ho Chi Minh died. Saddam was the guy at the top (almost said "leader", but that's too much like a compliment), but there are a lot of folks in the echelons below him who actually got things done. They're still out there, and common sense tells me that some will still want to carry on the fight.
The biggest problem in nation building is when some power from the outside (the US, in this case) goes in, deposes a tyrant or corrupt government, and then expects the general populace (most of whom have NEVER known anything else in the way of government) to calmly and rationally adopt a democratic form of government. Didn't work in Afghanistan, doubt it will work in Iraq without a lot of groundwork. It gets worse when the people discover that democracy doesn't mean that everyone's happy. It means that everyone has a voice, but in the end, it's the vote talley that counts. The disgruntled start to remember that things changed when the last government was overthrown, so why not boot out the new one?
Regards;
Beanbag
The biggest problem in nation building is when some power from the outside (the US, in this case) goes in, deposes a tyrant or corrupt government, and then expects the general populace (most of whom have NEVER known anything else in the way of government) to calmly and rationally adopt a democratic form of government. Didn't work in Afghanistan, doubt it will work in Iraq without a lot of groundwork. It gets worse when the people discover that democracy doesn't mean that everyone's happy. It means that everyone has a voice, but in the end, it's the vote talley that counts. The disgruntled start to remember that things changed when the last government was overthrown, so why not boot out the new one?
Regards;
Beanbag
Chad Noles
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Dean has already stated that it is a great day for the President and a great day for America.He said that he thought that the President should celebrate today and that no one should try to take this victory away from him.
It will not be the capture of Saddam itself that determines the effect of this on the election, but rather the effect of the capture of Saddam on Iraq. If this reduces the level of violence, it will no doubt benefit Mr. Bush. However, I suspect that a lot of the violence is more anti-America than pro Saddam. As long as the violence continues and American soldiers keep coming home in body bags, Iraq will continue to be an albatross for Mr. Bush.
Personally, my vote against Mr. Bush will be based on his anti-environmental policies, his attacks on the separation of church and state, his blatant corruption in doling out Iraq contracts to Haliburton without competitive bids, his running up the national debt to new record highs, and his general stupidity rather than on the question of whether or not he was able to capture Saddam.
Personally, my vote against Mr. Bush will be based on his anti-environmental policies, his attacks on the separation of church and state, his blatant corruption in doling out Iraq contracts to Haliburton without competitive bids, his running up the national debt to new record highs, and his general stupidity rather than on the question of whether or not he was able to capture Saddam.
geni said:
No one expects the attacks to stop. In fact, military pundits on the news this morning predict an increase in the short term, but also note that attacks have significantly decreased over the last few weeks, and expect that trend to continue after the blip.
Ummm, no we won't see a thing. Last thing the US government will want is to find themselves on the defense team in Saddam's trial. So this will be real Tamany Hall stuff, Iraqi style. Poor old Saddam is about to be subject to his own style of trial - stacked badly. I would doubt the trial will even be made public, just the verdict announced at the end, then sentence carried out swiftly. I doubt the US will appeal anything unless it is less than life imprisonment!Clancie said:
C'est la vie.
I would like to see everything about Saddam's regime discussed in open court. Even the stuff that may be damaging to the U.S. Why? Because I believe it won't be as bad for the U.S. as some people think (hope).
What I would also like to see is the media report it fairly. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
What I would also like to see is the media report it fairly. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Luke T. said:
To be honest I agree. Sure we supported him at one time. New guy took over and changed that. Hell we had slavery for a while a new guy took over and changed that as well. Some people demand change and can't accept it when you give it to them though, but internationally Saddam ain't got much he can say about the US that ain't already historical facts.
And you're just acting silly with that last request.