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Defending Sylvia....

That site while picking holes in arguments against the Novus church hardly give credibility to the so called "powers" of their vaunted psychic. I would like them to illustrate compelling evidence of her claimed psychic abilities.

They should put up or shut up.
 
apathetic medic said:
That site while picking holes in arguments against the Novus church hardly give credibility to the so called "powers" of their vaunted psychic. I would like them to illustrate compelling evidence of her claimed psychic abilities.

They should put up or shut up.
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Well, call me unreasonable, but I would like to hear from Sylvia herself. Good grief, for a woman who wields as much control, and has an outrageous temper, you would think she could speak up for herself.

No, she leaves it to other people to do her defending. I know, I used to be one of them. Sad, isn't it, that the one truth of 'to thine own self be true' seems to escape her.

I bear no ill thought for the person doing the blog. I will give the benefit of the doubt, and say that they truly believe that Sylvia is being persecuted by SSB and this forum. I will also say that they don't have all the facts, and so their presentation is flawed as well.

There is no defense for her, and she leaves those who have clue about her deceit, to aid her.

I expected more from Sylvia...but then, that's how my journey started, isn't it?:(
 
I think this is great. Finally one of Sylvia's fans has stepped up to the task of sharing validations of Sylvia and carefully composed rebuttals to RSL's articles (if we ignore the first effort, which basically amounts to "I don't like Robert and what if he's making all this up anyway?").

GoSylviaBrowne.com failed entirely at this endeavor, and for some reason, the members of the message board there have also declined to provide evidence in support of Sylvia, even though they are constantly complaining about how RSL is only willing to show one side of the story. Why don't you send him some material, GSB members? Then if he refuses to put it on his site, you can tell everyone how one-sided and unfair his treatment of Sylvia is.

I for one am really looking forward to seeing DefendingSylvia's contributions.
 
Pythra said:
I for one am really looking forward to seeing DefendingSylvia's contributions.
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As am I.

I found the blog via technorati.com (which I use to locate references to SSB from within the blogosphere), and came here to start a thread about it, only to find one already started.

I've already emailed the following to the blogger:

me said:
Equal Apologist:

I read with interest the "Browne Lied, Delaware Died... " article in your new "In Sylvia's Defense... " blog.

I have added a link to that blog entry in the "Related Links" section of my "Novus Spiritus: Delaware Breaks Away" article on my site, and have added a link to the blog's home page from the "Pro-Sylvia/Other" section of my site's Links page.

While I disagree (obviously) with much of what you say, I welcome such entries into the "marketplace of ideas" about the subject.

It's late and I am tired, but here are a few comments, not about your criticisms of the article, but about some misconceptions you seem to have about my site.

Regarding your references such as "The whiners over at www.stopsylviabrowne.com...", "the average IQ for the contributors to SSB": It's possible I have used the "editorial we" in some of the site's articles. If I did, this may have led to some confusion. But so far, I am the author of every article on SSB. So unless you count the authors of quoted material within the articles, I'm the only contributor. If there is indeed any whining being done over here, it is by me and me alone. And, to find the "average IQ" of contributors to the site, take my IQ (which I don't know offhand) and divide by one.

I'm not certain where you get the idea that there was a "near dearth of articles going up in May" here at SSB, since there were ten article which went up that month, making it the second-highest number of articles to go up on SSB in a given month since the site opened.

As far as your worry that SSB's readership might be disappearing, I'm happy to report that in May, the site received an average of 3,061 page-loads per day (I currently don't track unique hits, so I do not know how many different people visit the site on a given day). This is very much in line with the past few months, so, at least for the time being, the site's readership does not appear to be disappearing.

Regardless of all of that - I look forward to future entries in your blog, and if they are critical of specific articles on my site, I will most likely be linking to them from within those articles as well. As I state on the site, I encourage people to consider all information about Browne. And, since Browne's site does little but promote her books and such, and the Go Sylvia Browne site has so far produced little in the way of anything tangible in defense of Browne, I am hoping that you will at least make an attempt at proving Browne's claims of psychic powers. While criticism of my articles is welcome, I hope you can come up with, for example, some instances where Browne did a reading for a missing person or homicide case on the Montel Williams show (so that it is documented ahead of time), which was later borne out by the case's resolution.

When I have more time, I will be considering the points in your blog entry, and possibly responding to them in an update to the article.

In the meantime:

Best regards,

Robert S. Lancaster
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The person who created this blog has no information about him/herself on his/her profile. Is this person connected to Sylvia personally - a family member, a close friend, her business manager, one of her Board members. Or is this simply a "fan" who continues to blindly support her "fearless leader" as so many others have done over the years.

They state on the blog "but it is, at least in this country, also the right of the party of defense to, well, defend itself." So the blogger is defending itself - Would make me think the blogger is either SB herself or SB's attorney.

This person mentions the "whiners over at the stop sylvia site". As Robert pointed out, he is the only contributor to SSB so it would appear that the creator of the blog believes this JREF forum and the SSB site are either one in the same or somehow connected.

As to this person having proof that will validate SB's psychic abilities, that remains to be seen.

ST
 
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Robert, you are a class act!!! :)

I think that at times people come to the defense of Sylvia and stumble over themselves and make things worse.
Many times they fizzle out...

When Robert asked some GSB members to give him proof of Sylvia's psychic powers and he would gladly put it on his site, many of them hemmed and hawed and said they couldn't.
As I said on another thread, if you tell me you're psychic, tell me what's going to happen at 2:30 on Thursday.

Yes, I can tell people there will be hurricanes coming or that an 80 year old is going to die but the proof that has come out about Sylvia's other incredibly wrong "readings" is solid proof. Not imagined as it is backed by news articles and victims families coming forward.

And the validations page on GSB is still void of validations.

I find it kind of sad really.
I understand the stages of death...denial, depression, anger, etc. and it seems that many of the devoted fans of Sylvia are experiencing them.
I find it kind of sad.
They say they are seekers of truth and yet they would rather believe in lies and deceit.
To each his own!

TruthBeTold
 
Well, Rob, no matter how late it is and how tired you are you still write one heck of a letter. Nicely done! You are very fair and I look forward to a reply by that blogger.
 
I'm not certain where you get the idea that there was a "near dearth of articles going up in May" here at SSB ...
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Maybe the person in question had a near dearth experience.
 
So, is the Sylvia supporter disappointed that articles examining the truth and consequences of Sylvia and Novus are not going up fast enough? :confused:
 
Robert, I haven't said this in a while but I love and and respect you man!



In a strictly platonic, heterosexual fashion of course.




Seriously, I am proud to have met you and count you as a friend.
 
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Once again I am impressed with Robert's class and manners. It is clear that he is willing to publish any facts, pro or con, so that readers can make up their own mind. Though, I can understand if Sylvia supporters don't necessarily rush to his site to submit proof of her powers. What astounds me, though, is that they aren't offering up such proof on their own pro-Sylvia sites. Why do you think that is?*

* I have my own theory. :)
 
Monza said:
Once again I am impressed with Robert's class and manners. It is clear that he is willing to publish any facts, pro or con, so that readers can make up their own mind.
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These are some of the things that have endeared me so much to Randi. Class, manners, graciousness, generous, honest, etc.

The only people who belong on pedestals are those who are too classy to stand on them.
 
Monza said:
Once again I am impressed with Robert's class and manners. It is clear that he is willing to publish any facts, pro or con, so that readers can make up their own mind.
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Unlike the owner of the "In Defense of Sylvia" blog. Now this person is spouting stuff about the Canadian church they know absolutely nothing about - as evidenced by this remark:

"Regarding the various money concerns these ministers had with Novus, please alert me to who, in the entire organizations of Sylvia Browne Corp. and Novus Spiritus—besides Sylvia—is earning any money. Um…time’s up. Nobody."

Has this person been hiding under a rock? Actually crawling back under would be most beneficial to humanity.

ST
 
The person writing that blog is pretty much asking for more proof showing the money and properties that SB has, and is also asking for an audit of NS. Looks like she/he will be getting exactly what they ask for.

This is exactly like a "sermon" that Prelate Michael McClellan gave in Campbell after Canada did quit, he put the blame on them for their egos, when in fact it was the Ego of SB and her Board of Misdirectors that have caused NS to fail as an "international religion".

Sylvia Browne has profited greatly, Sheila Hallmeyer has profited as well, Chris, Paul, the list can go on. Yet, those who have morals did get out, as has been evident in the past few years with the exodus.

Writer of this blog, do you really want all information to be made public to counter your propogandic claims?
 
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wow Robert. Stay on the high road!

You are so fair and balanced. Knowing my history, I can't stay calm and focused on this subject.

You can, and do. Thank you.
 
[As am I.

I found the blog via technorati.com (which I use to locate references to SSB from within the blogosphere), and came here to start a thread about it, only to find one already started.]

Hi,

I went to that site that Robert uses, and found a plethora of posts, blogs, and all around stuff on Sylvia, Novus, etc.

It seems that the message is getting out there. I even found the blog having that infamous post that was deleted from GSB (directed at RSL with language to make a sailor blush).

I am also wondering about the blog that you have to be invited to. Something tells me that we are being scoped out, and it is really foolish.

Do you think knowing who "we" are is going to change things, other than the obvious tactic of directing focus away from the issues, and onto bashing those of us who left.

I have developed so much respect for a group here that prior to coming, was only in my mind "troublemakers". I find this forum, exciting and the people for the most part, intelligent, witty, and purposeful.
 
When we truly believe something- for example, " my kid is smarter than most kids" - and later evidence proves us wrong, it can be very hard to accept. This is a very human experience.

If what we believed was at least possible and credible, it's hard enough; but if what we believed was self evidently very, very silly, admitting our error takes serious moral fibre.

Admitting you believed Slyvia Browne could really see into the future must take real balls. Frankly, I'm impressed that several folk have done so and even come on this site to state it. They have my respect.

It's to be expected that others are not yet able to admit they have been taken in, even if they are starting to suspect it.

I hope, given the data, others will get there.

Seeing the tortuous illogic required to defend Slyvia's record, perhaps the editor of this site will also be forced to admit the obvious- that Slyvia is a con artist, that he was taken in, that we all make mistakes and that when we apply cold logic, we can recognise those mistakes. To my mind, achieving that is a goal to feel proud of. I hope he makes it.
 
From the blog:
"The only blog whose sole purpose is to defend the mission, message, and practices of a well-intentioned spiritual teacher, psychic Sylvia Browne. Because we're all allowed a fair trial."

The trial will be fair and this liar will be convicted. Hopefully on multiple charges with her entire NS staff on trial with her.
ST
 
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