Defend Private Healthcare

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Is private healthcare compatible with the principles of medical ethics?

http://jme.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/27/4/234

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PUBLIC FINANCING WITH NO PARALLEL PRIVATE FINANCE

The vast majority of countries with universal publicly financed systems of health care insurance allow a parallel private insurance sector in which individuals can purchase private insurance for publicly insured services. The benefits of such insurance to its beneficiaries may include a wider range of treatment choices, the ability to jump a public queue, and so forth. Advocates also argue that such private insurance helps improve access to the public sector by lessening the demands placed on it. Is there an ethical rationale, however, for going beyond the provision of universal public finance by prohibiting such parallel private insurance, as is done in Canada for medically necessary physician and hospital services?

Restricting private insurance this way might follow directly from certain ethical approaches that demand equal access to health care or equal maximum possible consumption of health care by all members of society (for example, perhaps some solidarity-based approaches). It would not, however, follow directly from any of the three ethical frameworks considered in this paper or many other approaches framed within the four propositions identified above. But within a wide range of consequentialist approaches, such a restriction might derive indirectly from the operation of parallel systems of finance. That is, it is an empirical question whether a system of financing that prohibits private insurance for publicly insured services better advances the access and utilisation patterns ethically demanded. Evidence suggests that this is at least plausible.

Parallel systems of private finance can drain resources from the public system, erode public support for the public system, lead to longer waiting times in the public sector, and make it harder to provide all members with timely access to high quality services.36 Parallel private insurance is in general associated with an expansion of resources devoted to health care, though these additional resources are often used for services that generate smaller health gains (otherwise, they would have been given greater priority within the public system).

These dynamics imply that a parallel private insurance sector is not, as is commonly suggested, simply an add-on to a publicly financed system. Rather, complex interaction occurs that affects the viability of the publicly financed system, which leads to cross-subsidies (most often from public to private), and which may draw scarce resources into the health sector that are allocated in ways not consistent with the ethically justified patterns of access and utilisation.

Once again, this potential empirical justification is perhaps most tentative within a utilitarian framework, as the benefits of such a restriction on parallel private insurance must be weighed against its cost in the form of frustrated preferences among those who would prefer to purchase such insurance. The rationale is perhaps strongest within the extra-welfarist approach that calls for an equal distribution of health and which strongly de-emphasises utility effects in the valuation process. Given that on average it is those who are of low income and poor health status who are hurt most by the dynamics of parallel systems of finance, such a restriction may well also be supported within a Rawlsian framework.
 
Here's an article about the situation in India (and we wonder why so many Indians use alt. med.):

http://www.issuesinmedicalethics.org/042ed042.html

Introduction

The medical profession is getting more and more cornmercialised. There has been a continuous erosion of medical ethics not only in the private sector but also in the Government sector. I give some examples from my own experience in Punjab.

Illegal private practice

Government doctors once had a justified grievance. They demanded adequate non-practising allowence (NPA) if they were to be disallowed private practice. However, even after adequate NPA was granted, illegal private practice did not disappear. In fact it grew along with NPA. In our unofficial survey of practices in the Government Medical College, Amritsar, we found only three professors who were not indulging in private practice. Two of them - husband and wife - have since retired. The third resigned after he suffered repeated victimisation at the hands of the Government of Punjab.

Those indulging in illegal private practice fall into two categories. There are those who charge reasonable private fees and also do not neglect patients who do not pay any illegal fee. In the second category are those who fleece patients and neglect those who do not pay the private fee. The situation is particularly troublesome for patients unable or unwilling to pay when they need surgery. A junior doctor had told one such patient: 'If you want to get the operation done properly, you have to pay.'She could not afford this amount and came to me for help. I spoke to the Medical Superintendent saying: 'Even the Devil spares the occasional home.' This helped.
 
http://www.myanmar.gov.mm/myanmartimes/no82/myanmartimes5-82/News/10.htm

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Humanism in medicine is more than medical ethics. It is more than refraining from doing physical and mental harm to the patient through professional misconduct. It is more than just abiding by the Hippocratic oath. Humanism is a positive action, just as compassion is not only a feeling of concern for the suffering of others, but also prompting action to give help to promote its alleviation. Compassion is as important as scientific knowledge and skill in a humanistic physician. When we take stock, we will realise how far we have strayed from the ideal. This phenomenon is world wide and unfortunately it has also spread to our country. Not only has medical practice and the care of patients deviated from the original social ideal, the concept of humanism is almost alien in medical education and medical research endeavours. True, medical ethics is part of the curriculum in many medical schools, but it has been alleged that medical faculties insert the teaching of medical ethics in the curriculum to salve their consciences. Much more than inclusion of the subject of medical ethics in the curriculum is required for medical graduates to imbibe humanism and ethical behaviour as their second nature. Ethics has been a fundamental part of medicine since early times and dealt with the obligations and responsibilities of the physician. The code of the physician Hippocrates (460-355 B.C.), is exemplified in the oath which is familiar to all medical graduates. In this code of ethics, the graduate is reminded of the dignity and responsibility of his calling, and among other things, urged to seek above all the benefit of the patient, and take no mean advantage of the position of the medical adviser. During the 1970s and the early 1980s, business in the developed countries, particularly in the United States, saw (the potential for) a big market in the health care field, resulting in an increasing commercialisation of medical care. Large for-profit corporations were formed, offering a variety of services on a pre-payment basis.

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In Britain, it keeps the top consultants in the NHS, contributing to it, rather than having them leave to pursue a wholly private career.

Rolfe.
 
In Britain, it keeps the top consultants in the NHS, contributing to it, rather than having them leave to pursue a wholly private career.

Rolfe.

I agree that's a pragmatic reason to allow physicians to make a hefty profit from the relief of the suffering of others.

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/329/7465/579

The three paradoxes of private medicine

Like many people in Britain I have inherited—and have subsequently nourished—a profound dislike of private medicine. However, it now appears that the reality is much more complicated and disturbing.

We had been told that my daughter would have to wait at least two years to see the consultant as an outpatient, and we felt that this was totally unacceptable. So we made one simple phone call to the private hospital, and she was seen in two weeks.

This much was accomplished without trauma. When we made the appointment it felt like any other—perhaps to see the general practitioner or a school teacher. But the experience began to be qualitatively different when we got there. It began with a feeling of relief that the uncertainty and waiting were over. Then, three things happened that gave me pause for thought.

Instead of the joy of clinical resolution, you are left with a tainted feeling of shameful compromise and guilt

Firstly, the staff were different. They may have had the same job titles and qualifications as staff in the NHS, they may also have had NHS jobs (the consultant certainly did), but they behaved differently. There was a perception of deference to you, the receptionist was caring, they seemed to have more time, the consultation was less pressured (you know that there is no one waiting outside, so you can take as long as you like). So far, so good. But in each of these apples is a worm. Are they only being nice because I'm paying? If so, what do they say behind my back? Do they think I'm as compromised in this Faustian bargain as they are? Is the consultant being pleasant or oleaginous, altruistic or avaricious?

These issues matter because they go to the heart of the encounter: do I respect this person, and therefore do I trust his advice and actions? This is especially important given the manifest perverse incentives, where every additional action means personal income. When he says, "I can see you for the next appointment on the NHS, but it will be a few months," do I believe him? When he suggests drugs rather than waiting and seeing, could there be ulterior motives? One of the marvels of the NHS is that you can generally trust the motives of the professionals—but here? The result is the first paradox: paying for health care can actually be disempowering.

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ETA: BTW, consultants in the NHS are on very good salaries and have performance payments.

http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/details/Default.aspx?Id=553

Consultants

Consultants can earn between £73,403 to £173,638, dependent on length of service and payment of additional performance related awards.

How much more money do they want?
 
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I believe some of the top medical officials in the Canadian government also practice, openly, illegal private services. Nobody cares.


It's a curious slope. "Everyone needs health care!" turns into "Government will provide it to make sure everyone has it!" turns into "Only government will provide it, and other ways are now illegal!"


The last step is nothing but a pure power grab by politicians. Freedom means freedom from government. The right to open a new service or create a new product. To compete for a living.


As more medical treatments, drugs, device are invented, there is more to buy, and hence costs will rise. This is an awesome situation! And it will keep getting "worse". And we want it to get worse!

The more stuff to buy = more costs = longer, healthier lives. Restricting profit slows development, and more people suffer because of that than socialized medicine helps.

We want to be buried in so many treatments 50% of our income goes to it!

The fraudulent narrative is that companies are "sticking it to you". Well, if they have a patent, stick away! That's how patents aid innovation. The fraud is that socialized medicine pretends you'll have the same treatment, cheaper, when in fact you won't have it at all. Hundreds of economic "experiments" last century showed a massive, crystal-clear relationship between profit and innovation.


And to those who want to rely on doctors' kindness and desire to save lives to make up the slack in a socialized system, you are a sorry piece of humanity.
 
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http://www.mssm.edu/msjournal/71/71_4_pages_231_235.pdf

Historically, most physicians have believed that it is their ethical duty as a patient’s agent to do everything medically beneficial for that patient without regard to cost. Of course, the patient has to pay the cost. A patient who cannot afford the care a physician believes is beneficial raises a difficult dilemma. If the patient is already in the physician’s care, duty requires that the care be provided
anyway. Therefore, to avoid financial disaster, physicians have to manage their practices so that they do not take on too many patients who will not be able to pay, taking refuge in the belief that their ethical duty extends only to those patients for whom they have accepted initial responsibility.

ETA: The author of the paper recommends physicians' remuneration is in the form of salary, rather than fee-for-service.
 
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I believe some of the top medical officials in the Canadian government also practice, openly, illegal private services. Nobody cares.
Citation needed.

The Canadian system is a single-payer insurance system - i.e. the govt pays for everyone's insurance. Delivery is a mixed bag of public and private, but it is not not the federal govt that is providing health care and delivery is, in fact, largely private. This is partly due to Canadian federalism wherein provinces have constitutional jurisdiction over administration of health care, but only the federal govt has sufficient resources to fund it.

Long story short...there is nothing illegal about private health services. Private for profit health services would violate the Canada Health Act if those services were part of the existing govt funded universal coverage.

I go to see my doctor at a private clinic; he sends the bill to the govt.
 
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Sick around the world is an interesting look at how other countries do health care.

It's a curious slope. "Everyone needs health care!" turns into "Government will provide it to make sure everyone has it!" turns into "Only government will provide it, and other ways are now illegal!"
What's your point? If you have to take things to extremes to argue against them, what point do you have? I could do the same thing to you and take the right-wing stance to a Dystopian extreme out of Jennifer Government, in which the police (sorry, the NRA) only respond to 911 calls from people who can pay them, employees' last name denote which company they work for, taxation is abolished, and narcotics sold in supermarkets... but I wouldn't make much of a point if I did, would I?
 
It's a curious slope. "Everyone needs health care!" turns into "Government will provide it to make sure everyone has it!" turns into "Only government will provide it, and other ways are now illegal!"

That is my big fear about National Health Care in the US.
I believe in some sort of Health Coverage for everybody, but I sure as hell do not want a Government monopoly on it, and feel that if somebody wants to pay extra for health care above what he pays in taxes, that is his right.
And I don't see why making a profit from Health Care is any more evil then making a profit from selling food, or any other necessity.
 
Long story short...there is nothing illegal about private health services. Private for profit health services would violate the Canada Health Act if those services were part of the existing govt funded universal coverage.
Assuming a doctor wanted to do that, how would he even go about doing it?
I go to see my doctor at a private clinic; he sends the bill to the govt.
Is it legal for a doctor to charge the patient extra -- above what government will pay? I know a dentist in Albany, NY who charges patients 2-3 times what most insurance companies will pay. He still submits claims to the insurance companies, and they do pay what they normally would for a given dental procedure -- the patient makes up the difference. The reason patients still go to him is because he is so much better than other dentists. Is this possible in Canada?
 
Assuming a doctor wanted to do that, how would he even go about doing it?

I don't know. I'm pretty sure that a private clinic that was charging patients for publicly insured services would get shut down in a big hurry.

Is it legal for a doctor to charge the patient extra -- above what government will pay? I know a dentist in Albany, NY who charges patients 2-3 times what most insurance companies will pay. He still submits claims to the insurance companies, and they do pay what they normally would for a given dental procedure -- the patient makes up the difference. The reason patients still go to him is because he is so much better than other dentists. Is this possible in Canada?

Definitely not. The govt sets the prices for billable services and the Canada Health Act explicitly prohibits extra billing.
 
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And I don't see why making a profit from Health Care is any more evil then making a profit from selling food, or any other necessity.

Making a living from health care is not evil. Making a lot of money from health care by exploiting the inevitable market failure that occurs because the consumer is unable to make an informed choice is unethical. Claiming to operate under the principles laid down by medical ethics and then refusing to (or more likely pretending someone else will) treat those that cannot meet your fee is hypocritical.

There is a better chance a market will work as desired for products such as food, since consumers have access to most of the information they need to make an informed choice.
 
There you go. If I were that dentist, I would not live in a country with Canada's laws. Why should I settle for being paid less than what patients, free to choose a cheaper dentist, are willing to pay me?

Notice that the patients in question were not paying him "2-3 times" what they would pay elsewhere. More like seven times. Insurance company in US will pay maybe $100 for a filling. Most dentists charge about $120, with patient paying $20. If he charged $250 and insurance company still reimbursed only $100 -- you do the math.

Which gives you an idea just how good that particular dentist is, as he does not lack in clients. Canada-style health care drives out quality service.
 
There you go. If I were that dentist, I would not live in a country with Canada's laws. Why should I settle for being paid less than what patients, free to choose a cheaper dentist, are willing to pay me?

I should have been clearer. Dental care is not covered by public insurance. Dentists can charge whatever the market will bear. My statements are only true for covered services. Dental insurance is private.

Nonetheless, I don't understand your objection. If Dental care was publicly covered, all dentists would bill the govt the same amount for the same service. No one would be "free to choose a cheaper dentist" because all patients would pay the same thing for dental care at the point of delivery - nothing.

Notice that the patients in question were not paying him "2-3 times" what they would pay elsewhere. More like seven times. Insurance company in US will pay maybe $100 for a filling. Most dentists charge about $120, with patient paying $20. If he charged $250 and insurance company still reimbursed only $100 -- you do the math.

Which gives you an idea just how good that particular dentist is, as he does not lack in clients. Canada-style health care drives out quality service.

I am missing the logical connection between your premises and your conclusion. Your conclusion seems to be ideological rather than factual.
 
There is a better chance a market will work as desired for products such as food, since consumers have access to most of the information they need to make an informed choice.


In other words, consumers are too stupid to shop for their own medical services in a free market, so we need Big Brother to protect us by removing all our choices, lest we make the wrong ones.
 
I should have been clearer. Dental care is not covered by public insurance. Dentists can charge whatever the market will bear. My statements are only true for covered services. Dental insurance is private.
Sounds like we have a failure in communication. This is the situation I am describing:

1. Insurance provider pays X amount for a dental procedure.

2. Most dentists charge X + some small Y. Patient pays Y out of his pocket. Y value may vary.

3. Some dentist only charge X. Patient pays nothing.

4. Nothing prevents a dentist from charging X + very large Y, possibly more than X. Insurance provider will still pay only X. Patient will pay much larger amount. Obviously, he will get business only if he is significantly better than other dentists.

My impression from your previous post was that (4) is illegal in Canada. Looks like impression was wrong for dentists, but not for doctors.

In US the situation in question is the norm for dental care -- insurance companies will pay fixed, known amount for any given procedure. In medical care it is more flexible, but still insurance carriers will not pay much more than "average" cost of procedure. But that's the average of what all doctors charge. Those at high end charge more. Patient makes up the difference.
Nonetheless, I don't understand your objection. If Dental care was publicly covered, all dentists would bill the govt the same amount for the same service. No one would be "free to choose a cheaper dentist" because all patients would pay the same thing for dental care at the point of delivery - nothing.
My conclusion is that an outstanding dentist -- or doctor, -- in US can get more money than an average one, yet people who can not afford him can still get average care for relatively very little money. (Assuming they have health insurance.) Doctors have an incentive to become outstanding, which they lack in Canada. And may lack under national health care plan in US, if it ends up identical to Canada's.
 
Citation needed.

The Canadian system is a single-payer insurance system - i.e. the govt pays for everyone's insurance. Delivery is a mixed bag of public and private, but it is not not the federal govt that is providing health care and delivery is, in fact, largely private. This is partly due to Canadian federalism wherein provinces have constitutional jurisdiction over administration of health care, but only the federal govt has sufficient resources to fund it.

Long story short...there is nothing illegal about private health services. Private for profit health services would violate the Canada Health Act if those services were part of the existing govt funded universal coverage.

I go to see my doctor at a private clinic; he sends the bill to the govt.

Your doctor is also free to practice medicine without checking first with an insurance company clerk.
 
Sounds like we have a failure in communication. This is the situation I am describing:

1. Insurance provider pays X amount for a dental procedure.

2. Most dentists charge X + some small Y. Patient pays Y out of his pocket. Y value may vary.

3. Some dentist only charge X. Patient pays nothing.

4. Nothing prevents a dentist from charging X + very large Y, possibly more than X. Insurance provider will still pay only X. Patient will pay much larger amount. Obviously, he will get business only if he is significantly better than other dentists.

My impression from your previous post was that (4) is illegal in Canada. Looks like impression was wrong for dentists, but not for doctors.
(2) and (4) are illegal in Canada (but not for dentists or other providers of non-public services). Doctors that provide publicly insured services must conform to (3).

In US the situation in question is the norm for dental care -- insurance companies will pay fixed, known amount for any given procedure. In medical care it is more flexible, but still insurance carriers will not pay much more than "average" cost of procedure. But that's the average of what all doctors charge. Those at high end charge more. Patient makes up the difference.

My conclusion is that an outstanding dentist -- or doctor, -- in US can get more money than an average one, yet people who can not afford him can still get average care for relatively very little money. (Assuming they have health insurance.) Doctors have an incentive to become outstanding, which they lack in Canada. And may lack under national health care plan in US, if it ends up identical to Canada's.
Ok. I understand what you're saying. Here's where I think you aren't making a good argument. You are making an assumption that the only incentive for excellence in the medical profession is the opportunity to bill high. I think you would have to back that up with data. Are medical professionals in universal systems like Canada's really less outstanding? Would you admit the possibility that doctors could have incentives other than money to strive for excellence?

Also, I should point out that doctors are very well paid in the Canadian system, even though they surely do not make as much as the top, top earners in the USA.
 

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