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Deepak Chopra's Regular Column

Morchella

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It seems like I am one of the few that read and comment about what Chopra has to say. SFgate often doesn't even put a link to the column on their web page but he still posts pretty regularly. This week it is all about those darn skeptics and scientists with their closed minds just don't understand that the mind exists outside the brain. Chopra has recently taken a page from the Rupert Sheldrake hokum.
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/chopra/article/Thinking-Outside-the-Skull-Box-Part-5-4797837.php
 
It's a damn shame his regular column is not just a simple grave marker. I would not worry if so many less than competents did not take him seriously. Dr. Oz is heading in that direction also.
 
This is some of the glaring errors that i see in this article:

Your brain doesn’t determine your mind.

As demonstrated by the countless experiments that show how even subtle manipulations of brain clearly affects the so called mind. :eye-poppi

Brain and mind are recreating each other with every act of perception.

No mechanism is mentioned for how the "mind" is "recreating" the brain and the brain is "recreating" the "mind" with every "perception". No proof is offered to this assertion and it leaves important parts, such as "mind" and "recreating", undefined.

His whole article is filled with this.

The brain-as-computer idea can be exploded by asking, has a computer ever been curious? Has a computer ever been in love? Has it ever had urges or given into temptation? These aspects of mind are innate in human beings and are not computational.

This idea can be eviscerated by pointing out how it fails to define "curious", "love", "urge" and "temptation". We are implicitly supposed to use vague and naive common sense definitions that are implied to exist in humans and again no proof is offered for the assertion that computers can't have "curiosity" and that the "mind" and people are able to have it.

So your genome – the sum total of your genetic inheritance - is not sufficient to code for the entire structure of your digestive tract.

Actually it is. Chopra is conflating the structure of the digestive tract with what is inside of it. It's the same as saying that the blueprints of a house can't describe the structure of said house because it does not account for the occupants that are now inside of it.

You are alive because of your connection to the outside world; indeed, there is no boundary between you and the outside world’s abundance of life.

This is both wrong and right and the same time. In a sense there is no boundary between me and "the outside world". However because of my convenience i will make such an arbitrary boundary. The boundary is not "real" in any physical sense but it is useful for me and most other people.

This realization changes the picture of genes, too. They code for your cells, tissues, and organs; moreover, genes code for the interactions between your cells and the neighboring bacteria, with biomolecules being passed back and forth. The biochemistry of digestion is a shared project between your body and bacteria, a basic fact acknowledged for decades, but by implication, without bacteria there can be no you.

Yet again a pointless tautology.

This observation can be extended in every direction.

Down the rabbit hole we go! Better stock up on drugs and hot-pockets before we leave!

Without trees breathing in carbon dioxide and exhaling oxygen, you couldn’t breathe – the forests are part of your lungs.

Yet again he is committing the fallacy of composition. There is a clear and logical difference between the plants in a forest and the product of their photosynthesis. If a consumer consumes something produced by a producer does not mean that the producer is a part of the consumer.

Your body is the world, and by extension, so is your brain, since you share with the world every molecule, chemical reaction, and electrical impulse that constitutes the brain.

This is your mind on post-modern philosophy. :eye-poppi

What is your body now? It’s no longer just a human body.

In this statement we are apparently supposed to come to the sudden and incredible realization that human concepts and notions are not sensible and only superficial connected with reality when they are vaguely defined and poorly constructed.

Bravo mr Chopra. Now only he could keep himself from doing the same error himself.

One intelligence binds micro-organisms and “higher” life forms. There is no sharp dividing line between “smart” creatures and the “dumb” micro-organisms that evolved alongside them.

Yet again he fails to define what "intelligence" is and how it "binds" me together with micro-organisms.
 
This is some of the glaring errors that i see in this article:
<glaring errors>
Barring those errors(!), I thought he made a decent stab at describing how we can be seen to be biologically interacting with our environment in many ways. But that's not any kind of argument that the mind is separate from the brain...

His technique seems to be to put a title and an introductory claim at the start, paste in a totally irrelevant, but fairly innocuous, piece (e.g. about our biological interaction with the environment), then conclude by repeating the claim, implying that the article had somehow verified or validated it.

The article content is no more supportive of the mind being independent of the brain than it is of the heart being in a box in the cellar. Total non-sequitur.
 
Thank you for the comments all. I was hoping that someone else would go to SFGate and comment on his article. He just blows this stuff constantly without challenge. I have met several people here on the west coast who are ga ga for this guy and raise hackles if I challenge his s***. He's getting away with dropping this steaming pile of hooey. So far I have left the only comment on his article.
 
Your body is the world, and by extension, so is your brain, since you share with the world every molecule, chemical reaction, and electrical impulse that constitutes the brain.


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Thank you for the comments all. I was hoping that someone else would go to SFGate and comment on his article. He just blows this stuff constantly without challenge. I have met several people here on the west coast who are ga ga for this guy and raise hackles if I challenge his s***. He's getting away with dropping this steaming pile of hooey. So far I have left the only comment on his article.


I just went there, and there are no comments. Seems it's not only Twitter that Chopra's mind is interacting with in order to stamp out public criticism.

Also, sign-up required for commenting. This is very old-fashioned.
 
Hypothesis: People who actually read voraciously whatever Deepak writes must possess high levels of L-dopa.

Also for some time in their life must have been vulnerable to auditory or visual hallucinations.

Is there any study about this?

(slightly out of topic, sorry)
 
Hypothesis: People who actually read voraciously whatever Deepak writes must possess high levels of L-dopa.

Also for some time in their life must have been vulnerable to auditory or visual hallucinations.

Is there any study about this?

(slightly out of topic, sorry)
Just mental coprophages.
 
I just went there, and there are no comments. Seems it's not only Twitter that Chopra's mind is interacting with in order to stamp out public criticism.

Also, sign-up required for commenting. This is very old-fashioned.

Interesting. I go there and it shows my one comment. Maybe the Chron is just trying to appease me with showing only me my comment. Often there are few to no comments after his column when I go there. Seems strange since I don't think I'm the only one who gets irritated by this guy. The moderator might be a Chopra fan. I think I was banished for a while at SFgate shortly after a scathing comment left for Chopra.
 
I'm starting to think that Chopra's a Poe.
He seems to be trying to jam as much gibberish into every line as possible and makes outlandish claims that are demonstrably untrue, but he phrases it in such a way that gets some people to agree with him.
 
Interesting. I go there and it shows my one comment. Maybe the Chron is just trying to appease me with showing only me my comment. Often there are few to no comments after his column when I go there. Seems strange since I don't think I'm the only one who gets irritated by this guy. The moderator might be a Chopra fan. I think I was banished for a while at SFgate shortly after a scathing comment left for Chopra.


I looked at some of his older posts. He made one some years about about Hitchens, and it had plenty of comments calling out his deceitfulness and idiocy.
 

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