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Decent science vs. religion essay

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Interesting Ian said:


A decent essay?? If you think that this essay is "decent" then you're even more breathtakingly stupid than I had previously thought. And that's saying something. The author is a complete dunce who clearly understands absolutely nothing whatsoever about the issues. Very like most skeptics on here in fact. Kindly desist in linking to facile cretinous web pages.
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Jeeze, thanks for the kind thoughts Ian. Gracious and thoughtful as always. Generally I have refrained from joining in the "Ian is a total jackass" chorus in here and have, on occasion, even stuck up for your right to express your point of view when others called you a troll - however much I disagreed with you. You can pretty much count on that never happening again. I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer Ian, but at least I am not willfully delusional or a pathetic, foul mouthed, angry crank.
 
Let me get this straight...

showme2 said:
"Decent" ?
You gotta be kidding !
Not even decently balanced.
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Let me get this straight, one is supposed to take the middle ground when dealing with delusion? "The ideas of delusional people are just as legitimate as our own." - is that the right approach?
 
Billydkid

Yes, that's right - at least UNTIL you establish that they are delusional.
And you haven't.
And you can't.
 
And

and, basically, any essay with which you disagree is a bad essay, right?
 
NO ! - (Where do you GET these wild ideas from?)

It's a bad essay because it produces no support whatever for the assertions the author makes.
 
Ok I'm gessing the essay was writen in the US. Over here the shock would be if a lecturer stood up and said it's ok to be religious. Anyway why is it science vs religion the two can coexist quite happily
 
For God's sake...

showme2 said:
NO ! - (Where do you GET these wild ideas from?)

It's a bad essay because it produces no support whatever for the assertions the author makes.
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It's an opinion piece based on personal observations, not a thesis!
 
Billydkid
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NO ! - (Where do you GET these wild ideas from?)

It's a bad essay because it produces no support whatever for the assertions the author makes.
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It's an opinion piece based on personal observations, not a thesis!"


You asked the question, got an answer, and didn't like it.
And now you change the subject.
So opinion without ANY evidential support is OK now is it, provided that it is supporting your viewpoint.
(Most of the sceptics on this forum have been arguing exactly the opposite with me for God-Knows-How-Long.)
 
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billydkid said:


Jeeze, thanks for the kind thoughts Ian. Gracious and thoughtful as always. Generally I have refrained from joining in the "Ian is a total jackass" chorus in here and have, on occasion, even stuck up for your right to express your point of view when others called you a troll - however much I disagreed with you. You can pretty much count on that never happening again. I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer Ian, but at least I am not willfully delusional or a pathetic, foul mouthed, angry crank.
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I find it very sad that you think such an atrocious essay to be brilliant. Hell it could have been written by TBK! :eek:. Yes, that's how bad it is.
 
Come ON, Ian - be fair.

Could have been written by TBK ?

Yeah, it was singularly unimpressive, but it wasn't THAT bad !!
 
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Interesting Ian said:


I find it very sad that you think such an atrocious essay to be brilliant. Hell it could have been written by TBK! :eek:. Yes, that's how bad it is.
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This is so typical and what is most pathetic is that you don't even see it. Where did I write anything about anything being brilliant? Did you read that between the line? Is the word "decent" synonymous with "brilliant" in your vocabulary? I do believe that non-believing is frowned upon by society in general and that, unlike in this forum, skepticism is considered to be unwholesome. Certainly, if you want to be despised in the US (I have no real idea about the UK.) profess to be a nonbeliever or an atheist. Try expressing your disbelief publicly and see how quickly you are portrayed as an evil person. Rational people are, in fact, forced to pussyfoot around believers. It was not that long ago folks were being prosecuted for heresy in this country and not long before that they were being burned at the stake for not believing. The dangerous people are not the skeptics, they are the believers.
 
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billydkid said:


This is so typical and what is most pathetic is that you don't even see it. Where did I write anything about anything being brilliant? Did you read that between the line? Is the word "decent" synonymous with "brilliant" in your vocabulary? I do believe that non-believing is frowned upon by society in general and that, unlike in this forum, skepticism is considered to be unwholesome. Certainly, if you want to be despised in the US (I have no real idea about the UK.) profess to be a nonbeliever or an atheist. Try expressing your disbelief publicly and see how quickly you are portrayed as an evil person. Rational people are, in fact, forced to pussyfoot around believers. It was not that long ago folks were being prosecuted for heresy in this country and not long before that they were being burned at the stake for not believing. The dangerous people are not the skeptics, they are the believers.
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Well I assure you that I'm not dangerous. And yes, it would appear that the UK is totally unlike the US in this respect. If you say you believe in God or life after death to people over here (or at least if you say to so called intellectuals), you're liable to receive a funny look!
 
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billydkid said:

The dangerous people are not the skeptics, they are the believers.
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Don't equate skepticism with non-belief.
 
T'ai Chi is absolutely right.

Scepticism is about enquiry, doubt, and the requirement for proof.

It is not about denial, which is the purview of PSEUDO-scepticism.
 
showme2 said:
T'ai Chi is absolutely right.

Scepticism is about enquiry, doubt, and the requirement for proof.

It is not about denial, which is the purview of PSEUDO-scepticism.
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Can you prove that?
 
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T'ai Chi said:


Don't equate skepticism with non-belief.
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I can not fathom your meaning. Belief in this context, as opposed to knowledge, requires of one that one holds an opinion for which there is not supporting evidence. Clearly, on can not be a "believer" and also be a skeptic in any meaningful sense of either term.
 
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