Debating the loons on 911researcher.com is a surreal experience. Check out this gem and my response. Note in particular the following:
"No plane crashed into the Pentagon
No plane crashed in Shanksville
No plane crashed into the Twin Towers.
FLIGHT 77 and FLIGHT 11 DID NOT EXIST IN THE BTS DATABASE AND THEREFORE DID NOT DEPART.
And here it is again for you:
The live feed of the second attack did not include a real plane either, but a CGI (Computer Generated Imagery).
http://911logic.blogspot.com
http://www.911tvfakery.net "
Gee, those flights didn't exist, but only a few very dumb guys sitting all day in front of their computer screens in their underwear were able to penetrate the deception.
Neocon Jihadist
Submitted by ewing2001 on Wed, 2006-12-27 02:38.
Wieck,
you complained that i called you a Neocon Jihadist.
First of all let me remind you and your pseudo intellectual outlet "AmericanThinker", that the original meaning of "Jihad" meant
nothing else than to 'lead a good Muslim life, praying and fasting regularly'.
That's for sure not what CIA asset Bin Laden and his set director behind the camera made out of it.
They called it a 'struggle for or defence of Islam', the so called holy war.
This is also the definition which was supported by the Albert Wohlstetter-Neocons,
including the AmericanThinker, which is nothing but an extended arm for other Neocon Nazi Propaganda and Watchtanks like i.e. campus-watch.org.
http://www.campus-watch.org/docs/publication/American+Thinker
Wieck himself also contributed to Campus-Watch.
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/14286
Campus Watch was created by Daniel Pipes directly after 9/11 to silence
MIT dupes like Noam Chomsky and the complete U.S. University Apparatus.
Noone of the alleged intellectual left wing complained about this.
Explanation: The intellectual left wing basically doesn't exist anymore,
because compromised by dirty money of CIA front Ford Foundation and other
control engines.
The alleged intellectual right wing had similar effects with infiltrated input from
Brookings Institution and others, who betrayed the PaleoConservatives.
It was also Daniel Pipes, who started a propaganda campaign against the so called
"Green Peril", right after the first false flag operation on the Twin Towers, in 1993.
Between 1993 and 2001, almost every article about Green Peril and the alleged rising
terror threats from the Islam can be traced back to the same dozen of pseudo journalists,
among them Daniel Pipes, John Miller (ABC), and a couple of ex-CIA employees like Vince Cannistraro and others.
Interestingly it was also the same propaganda tandem Miller-Cannistraro, who did the last
official interview with Laden in 1998.
Coincidence or just luck?
What Butterbrain Wieck also ignores is, that almost *EVERYTHING* what changed after 9/11,
was already a done deal *BEFORE* 9/11.
It therefore doesn't make much sense to keep the myth of the whining false opposition of the so called leftwing alive.
The constructed 'Bush-America Hatred' is another red herring used by butterhead Wieck as a straw to escape from physical evidence of TV Fakery and Controlled Demolition.
Here is a fact sheet for you:
-President Clinton approved the Homeland Security between 1999 and 2001, established by ANSER.
-all details of the 9/11 attacks had been drilled and exercised *before* 9/11, including a plane crash scenario into the Pentagon, the anthrax attack (as in "Dark Winter", June 2001), an aircraft hijack (the last one was drilled 2 weeks prior 9/11 in Buffalo, NY).
-the Patriot Act itself was written before 9/11
-the War against Afghanistan and Iraq planned and partly exercised
The so called "Jihad" on 9/11 however took not place, only in the butterbrain of Wieck.
No plane crashed into the Pentagon
No plane crashed in Shanksville
No plane crashed into the Twin Towers.
FLIGHT 77 and FLIGHT 11 DID NOT EXIST IN THE BTS DATABASE AND THEREFORE DID NOT DEPART.
And here it is again for you:
The live feed of the second attack did not include a real plane either, but a CGI (Computer Generated Imagery).
http://911logic.blogspot.com
http://www.911tvfakery.net
Though you ignored so far to compare all footage from the hits, the facts will not go away.
It is furthermore impossible that any aircraft is able to butter into a building without any walls crumbling, parts breaking apart and other logical physical reaction.
(as seen in non-live footage.
Reminder: No live feed showed any object entering into any building, but vanishing behind, which was easier for a CGI live trick)
It is impossible, that the steel construction of the Twin Towers came down without an input of conventional and unconventional weaponry, to allow a physical violation of the Resistance- and Free Fall Theory.
Wieck possibly thinks, this is all an exciting game.
(He used to write for various chess and gaming magazines).
But reality is, that Wieck and other intellectuals betrayed the United States and apparently *they are* the ones, who hate America, by allowing it to be destroyed by Bogus War on Terror Propaganda and a destabilization of the US$.
The White House doesn't exist any more since a long time.
It's all in the hand of privatized military and -intelligence, supervised by transnational fascist bankers.
The U.S. Constitution was thrown into the garbage can by neocon puppets and their gatekeeper media alliance of butterhead sheeples like Wieck and Co.
Wieck's close association with Daniel Pipes furthermore could suggest a CIA affiliation.
His father Richard Pipes was a member of the Committee on Present Danger from 1977 until 1992 and served on the Council of Foreign Relations.
He also was mainly responsible for the so called "Team-B Hoax" during the 70s.
TeamB, created by then CIA director George Bush, completely overexaggerated the threat of the Soviet Union.
The TeamB Fiasco also included an overstate of the USSR's military and economic capabilities.
Do we smell a pattern?
Like the father, such the son and his phony
buddies Wieck + Co.
Wieck is a fraud, a butterhead and a traitor.
Wieck and his retards from AmericanThinker are most obviously running a 9/11 Conspiracy Theory Website, as correctly pointed out by SOUTHPARK, created by the U.S. Government itself.
But it is nice of him of giving 911researchers.com an exclusive analysis of his brain functions which spits amazing fruitloop drivel like "no demolition experts anywhere think explosives were used to bring down WTC 1 and 2."
With this nonsense you might keep the orwellian 9/11 truthlings at 911blogger.com busy, but not 911researchers.com.
Interestingly it took only a few days after 9/11 when first demolition expert Van Romero came forward and declared that the collapse was "too methodical" to have resulted from the fires.
It was clearly controlled demolition for him.
Needless to say, under much pressure of neoconized politicians, -military and -media he had to retract from his statement, just 2 weeks later.
Fantasy Movement a Blend of Stupidity and Dishonesty
Submitted by Ronald Wieck on Wed, 2006-12-27 14:50.
To ewing2001,
Your stupidity and ignorance are breathtaking, even for a conspiracy liar.
You can "remind" me of as much nonsense as you wish, but you're still a sciolist. The meaning of jihad has evolved over the centuries. Today, radical Islam stresses the martial aspects over the spiritual. At the beheading of Nicholas Berg in 2004, al Zarqawi said: "Is it not time for you [Muslims] to take the path of jihad and carry the sword of the Prophet of prophets?...The Prophet, the most merciful, ordered [his army] to strike the necks of some prisoners in [the battle of] Badr and to kill them...And he set a good example for us."
Osama bin Laden, as you understand perfectly well, has never been a CIA asset. You are lying. Anyway, I thought he doesn't exist. If he does, you have touched the third rail for conspiracy liars. If there is a real bin Laden, why doesn't he denounce the words put into his mouth by the fake bin Laden? If bin Laden is dead, why didn't the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy stave off last month's disastrous election defeat by announcing that the bogeyman had been killed? I realize that none of this occurred to you, and for an excellent reason: you are a dimwit. Take your time figuring it out.
The American Thinker is an online journal that publishes articles reflecting a broad range of conservative thought. It is by no stretch of the imagination a neocon outlet.
My only contact with Daniel Pipes has been to send him a comment about the perpetuation of Gary Sick's 'October Surprise' myth in the 8th edition of the textbook, 'Rise to Globalism,' by Stephen Ambrose and Douglas Brinkley. Your insinuation that I am a "contributor" to his project is an example of either your incompetence or dishonesty (most likely a combination of both). "Wieck's close association with Daniel Pipes furthermore could suggest a CIA affiliation." Gee, I wonder why rationalists regard conspiracy liars as morons?
The distinguished historian of Soviet Russia Richard Pipes did not "overestimate" the threat of that nation's unprecedented military buildup during the seventies and eighties. You are lying again.
Chomsky an MIT "dupe"? What can that possibly mean--that he might not hate America as much as you do? I assure you that he hates America as much as anyone; his IQ, unlike yours, consists of three digits, which restrains from making a complete horse's ass of himself. Let us acknowledge that he has come close to your standards in the past.
As I've stated here, it's time to give van Romero a rest: he regards you fantasists as total frauds.
"Reminder: No live feed showed any object entering into any building, but vanishing behind, which was easier for a CGI live trick)." Well, this one is a tough sell to the thousands who actually watched the second plane hit the WTC from nearby office windows. Incidentally, those videos sure as hell DO show a plane crashing into the building.
When you're reduced to fabricating such preposterous idiocy, why not admit that your insane house of cards has collapsed?
Oh, I almost forgot: Not a single demolition expert anywhere thinks that explosives were used to bring down WTC 1 and 2. None. Nobody.
"No plane crashed into the Pentagon
No plane crashed in Shanksville
No plane crashed into the Twin Towers.
FLIGHT 77 and FLIGHT 11 DID NOT EXIST IN THE BTS DATABASE AND THEREFORE DID NOT DEPART.
And here it is again for you:
The live feed of the second attack did not include a real plane either, but a CGI (Computer Generated Imagery).
http://911logic.blogspot.com
http://www.911tvfakery.net "
Gee, those flights didn't exist, but only a few very dumb guys sitting all day in front of their computer screens in their underwear were able to penetrate the deception.
Neocon Jihadist
Submitted by ewing2001 on Wed, 2006-12-27 02:38.
Wieck,
you complained that i called you a Neocon Jihadist.
First of all let me remind you and your pseudo intellectual outlet "AmericanThinker", that the original meaning of "Jihad" meant
nothing else than to 'lead a good Muslim life, praying and fasting regularly'.
That's for sure not what CIA asset Bin Laden and his set director behind the camera made out of it.
They called it a 'struggle for or defence of Islam', the so called holy war.
This is also the definition which was supported by the Albert Wohlstetter-Neocons,
including the AmericanThinker, which is nothing but an extended arm for other Neocon Nazi Propaganda and Watchtanks like i.e. campus-watch.org.
http://www.campus-watch.org/docs/publication/American+Thinker
Wieck himself also contributed to Campus-Watch.
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/14286
Campus Watch was created by Daniel Pipes directly after 9/11 to silence
MIT dupes like Noam Chomsky and the complete U.S. University Apparatus.
Noone of the alleged intellectual left wing complained about this.
Explanation: The intellectual left wing basically doesn't exist anymore,
because compromised by dirty money of CIA front Ford Foundation and other
control engines.
The alleged intellectual right wing had similar effects with infiltrated input from
Brookings Institution and others, who betrayed the PaleoConservatives.
It was also Daniel Pipes, who started a propaganda campaign against the so called
"Green Peril", right after the first false flag operation on the Twin Towers, in 1993.
Between 1993 and 2001, almost every article about Green Peril and the alleged rising
terror threats from the Islam can be traced back to the same dozen of pseudo journalists,
among them Daniel Pipes, John Miller (ABC), and a couple of ex-CIA employees like Vince Cannistraro and others.
Interestingly it was also the same propaganda tandem Miller-Cannistraro, who did the last
official interview with Laden in 1998.
Coincidence or just luck?
What Butterbrain Wieck also ignores is, that almost *EVERYTHING* what changed after 9/11,
was already a done deal *BEFORE* 9/11.
It therefore doesn't make much sense to keep the myth of the whining false opposition of the so called leftwing alive.
The constructed 'Bush-America Hatred' is another red herring used by butterhead Wieck as a straw to escape from physical evidence of TV Fakery and Controlled Demolition.
Here is a fact sheet for you:
-President Clinton approved the Homeland Security between 1999 and 2001, established by ANSER.
-all details of the 9/11 attacks had been drilled and exercised *before* 9/11, including a plane crash scenario into the Pentagon, the anthrax attack (as in "Dark Winter", June 2001), an aircraft hijack (the last one was drilled 2 weeks prior 9/11 in Buffalo, NY).
-the Patriot Act itself was written before 9/11
-the War against Afghanistan and Iraq planned and partly exercised
The so called "Jihad" on 9/11 however took not place, only in the butterbrain of Wieck.
No plane crashed into the Pentagon
No plane crashed in Shanksville
No plane crashed into the Twin Towers.
FLIGHT 77 and FLIGHT 11 DID NOT EXIST IN THE BTS DATABASE AND THEREFORE DID NOT DEPART.
And here it is again for you:
The live feed of the second attack did not include a real plane either, but a CGI (Computer Generated Imagery).
http://911logic.blogspot.com
http://www.911tvfakery.net
Though you ignored so far to compare all footage from the hits, the facts will not go away.
It is furthermore impossible that any aircraft is able to butter into a building without any walls crumbling, parts breaking apart and other logical physical reaction.
(as seen in non-live footage.
Reminder: No live feed showed any object entering into any building, but vanishing behind, which was easier for a CGI live trick)
It is impossible, that the steel construction of the Twin Towers came down without an input of conventional and unconventional weaponry, to allow a physical violation of the Resistance- and Free Fall Theory.
Wieck possibly thinks, this is all an exciting game.
(He used to write for various chess and gaming magazines).
But reality is, that Wieck and other intellectuals betrayed the United States and apparently *they are* the ones, who hate America, by allowing it to be destroyed by Bogus War on Terror Propaganda and a destabilization of the US$.
The White House doesn't exist any more since a long time.
It's all in the hand of privatized military and -intelligence, supervised by transnational fascist bankers.
The U.S. Constitution was thrown into the garbage can by neocon puppets and their gatekeeper media alliance of butterhead sheeples like Wieck and Co.
Wieck's close association with Daniel Pipes furthermore could suggest a CIA affiliation.
His father Richard Pipes was a member of the Committee on Present Danger from 1977 until 1992 and served on the Council of Foreign Relations.
He also was mainly responsible for the so called "Team-B Hoax" during the 70s.
TeamB, created by then CIA director George Bush, completely overexaggerated the threat of the Soviet Union.
The TeamB Fiasco also included an overstate of the USSR's military and economic capabilities.
Do we smell a pattern?
Like the father, such the son and his phony
buddies Wieck + Co.
Wieck is a fraud, a butterhead and a traitor.
Wieck and his retards from AmericanThinker are most obviously running a 9/11 Conspiracy Theory Website, as correctly pointed out by SOUTHPARK, created by the U.S. Government itself.
But it is nice of him of giving 911researchers.com an exclusive analysis of his brain functions which spits amazing fruitloop drivel like "no demolition experts anywhere think explosives were used to bring down WTC 1 and 2."
With this nonsense you might keep the orwellian 9/11 truthlings at 911blogger.com busy, but not 911researchers.com.
Interestingly it took only a few days after 9/11 when first demolition expert Van Romero came forward and declared that the collapse was "too methodical" to have resulted from the fires.
It was clearly controlled demolition for him.
Needless to say, under much pressure of neoconized politicians, -military and -media he had to retract from his statement, just 2 weeks later.
Fantasy Movement a Blend of Stupidity and Dishonesty
Submitted by Ronald Wieck on Wed, 2006-12-27 14:50.
To ewing2001,
Your stupidity and ignorance are breathtaking, even for a conspiracy liar.
You can "remind" me of as much nonsense as you wish, but you're still a sciolist. The meaning of jihad has evolved over the centuries. Today, radical Islam stresses the martial aspects over the spiritual. At the beheading of Nicholas Berg in 2004, al Zarqawi said: "Is it not time for you [Muslims] to take the path of jihad and carry the sword of the Prophet of prophets?...The Prophet, the most merciful, ordered [his army] to strike the necks of some prisoners in [the battle of] Badr and to kill them...And he set a good example for us."
Osama bin Laden, as you understand perfectly well, has never been a CIA asset. You are lying. Anyway, I thought he doesn't exist. If he does, you have touched the third rail for conspiracy liars. If there is a real bin Laden, why doesn't he denounce the words put into his mouth by the fake bin Laden? If bin Laden is dead, why didn't the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy stave off last month's disastrous election defeat by announcing that the bogeyman had been killed? I realize that none of this occurred to you, and for an excellent reason: you are a dimwit. Take your time figuring it out.
The American Thinker is an online journal that publishes articles reflecting a broad range of conservative thought. It is by no stretch of the imagination a neocon outlet.
My only contact with Daniel Pipes has been to send him a comment about the perpetuation of Gary Sick's 'October Surprise' myth in the 8th edition of the textbook, 'Rise to Globalism,' by Stephen Ambrose and Douglas Brinkley. Your insinuation that I am a "contributor" to his project is an example of either your incompetence or dishonesty (most likely a combination of both). "Wieck's close association with Daniel Pipes furthermore could suggest a CIA affiliation." Gee, I wonder why rationalists regard conspiracy liars as morons?
The distinguished historian of Soviet Russia Richard Pipes did not "overestimate" the threat of that nation's unprecedented military buildup during the seventies and eighties. You are lying again.
Chomsky an MIT "dupe"? What can that possibly mean--that he might not hate America as much as you do? I assure you that he hates America as much as anyone; his IQ, unlike yours, consists of three digits, which restrains from making a complete horse's ass of himself. Let us acknowledge that he has come close to your standards in the past.
As I've stated here, it's time to give van Romero a rest: he regards you fantasists as total frauds.
"Reminder: No live feed showed any object entering into any building, but vanishing behind, which was easier for a CGI live trick)." Well, this one is a tough sell to the thousands who actually watched the second plane hit the WTC from nearby office windows. Incidentally, those videos sure as hell DO show a plane crashing into the building.
When you're reduced to fabricating such preposterous idiocy, why not admit that your insane house of cards has collapsed?
Oh, I almost forgot: Not a single demolition expert anywhere thinks that explosives were used to bring down WTC 1 and 2. None. Nobody.
Jee-sus! I write for 'American BUTThead' magazine. Can't you people ever get it right?
