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‘Deathbed testimony’ about UFOs given by former CIA official

Burning Beard

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Even if there was a name: people think that because it is deathbed confession it MUST be the truth (as in : the guy had nothing to lose by telling the truth etc...).

I seriously doubt the truth in that "common sense" thingy. It appears superfially right, but then you realize that for stuff like UFO, you make a name for yourself after your death, some people will like being a celebrity... All bet are off.

So confession of personal failure I might believe are true (I cheated you/I am a thief etc...) but confession which lead the persons to be a celebrity or enhance their name after death ? I doubt them. Too many people wanting to give themselves self importance.

ETA: for **** and giggle I could certainly give myself more than 15 minutes of fame on my deathbed.

ETAETA: I will have difficulty to sleep after seeing your avatar ;)
 
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Yeah, because people are always thinking clearly on their deathbed. :oldroll:

"This testimony will be included in an upcoming documentary titled Truth Embargo." Imagine that! :oldroll:
 
Aepervius said:
ETAETA: I will have difficulty to sleep after seeing your avatar ;)
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Cat pictures can fix everything. Even pre-sleep nerves.

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Well, this one might not. This is probably a bad example.
 
Mister Earl said:
Cat pictures can fix everything. Even pre-sleep nerves.

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Well, this one might not. This is probably a bad example.
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Please do not feed that cat after midnight.
 
Aepervius said:
ETA: for **** and giggle I could certainly give myself more than 15 minutes of fame on my deathbed.
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No kidding. I'd like to set up some sort of elaborate hoax, with various clues and 'secret documents' hidden all over the world.Just before I die, I make a death-bed confession, and give hints to a location that contains a summary of these documents, and their import -- in short, than I was kidnapped by hostile aliens as a child, then rescued by other 'friendly' aliens, who revealed to me a secret plot to control our world's governments. Ever since, I've been working with a small resistance movement of humans and aliens working together to prevent this.

There will then be a variety of clues as to where true 'truth seekers' can go to find more information. Each cache of information will reveal a little knowledge, while giving further clues as to where to go next.

Of course, I'd state that I couldn't reveal this until after my death, to prevent the aliens knowing about what I'm doing. But now, we're reaching the point of fruition, and it is important for the world to know what is going on.

I'd throw in various references to the CIA, the illuminati, and other such organizations, of course.

Wonder how many suckers people I could get to buy into it? Only sad thing is that I wouldn't be around to enjoy the results. As deathbed confessions go, it'd have to rank fairly high. :D
 
Wolfman said:
No kidding. I'd like to set up some sort of elaborate hoax, with various clues and 'secret documents' hidden all over the world.Just before I die, I make a death-bed confession, and give hints to a location that contains a summary of these documents, and their import -- in short, than I was kidnapped by hostile aliens as a child, then rescued by other 'friendly' aliens, who revealed to me a secret plot to control our world's governments. Ever since, I've been working with a small resistance movement of humans and aliens working together to prevent this.

There will then be a variety of clues as to where true 'truth seekers' can go to find more information. Each cache of information will reveal a little knowledge, while giving further clues as to where to go next.

Of course, I'd state that I couldn't reveal this until after my death, to prevent the aliens knowing about what I'm doing. But now, we're reaching the point of fruition, and it is important for the world to know what is going on.

I'd throw in various references to the CIA, the illuminati, and other such organizations, of course.

Wonder how many suckers people I could get to buy into it? Only sad thing is that I wouldn't be around to enjoy the results. As deathbed confessions go, it'd have to rank fairly high. :D
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I'm curious: what would be the best skeptical approach, to avoid being taken in by a slick hoax like that? Just not giving "deathbed confessions" any kind of serious weight any more than any other anecdotal claim, and that "documents" are not themselves good enough evidence for an extraordinary claim like that since they can be (and in this case, would be) faked? Since that's what I'd think.

And someone would believe it, surely, just as people believed this -- see here:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread945073/pg1
 
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Burning Beard said:
This popped up in my Facebook newsfeed this morning and I couldn't resist clicking on it to have a look.

http://www.openminds.tv/deathbed-testimony-about-ufos-given-by-former-cia-official-video-1002/

And what's his name?

"ANONYMOUS"

Oh great.

Another "smoking gun" for the UFO enthusiasts to wig out over.
I engage with some of them on other forums. I expect this will be shoved under my nose soon, followed by something like, "Debunk THAT smarty pants!"

:rolleyes:
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How would we know he's even a CIA official? Take him at his word? That's not enough.

And even if he is... how does that immunize him against deceit, delusion, or anything similar?

Note that all these "smoking guns" are just as anecdotal as every other UFO claim that's come down the pike. So they're not really smoking guns after all (a true smoking gun would be real, hard physical evidence of an alien spacecraft -- that is, something that real scientists could agree was of genuine extraterrestrial technological origin. Like a piece of high-tech gear WAY more advanced than anything we have here on Earth.).
 
Carl Sagan had the best take on this, I thought. If we had concrete evidence of an alien presence, of an unknown danger from alien invasion...
Why didn't the ever-money-hungry military demand billions for building defenses against said aliens? Where are the military space projects, the orbiting warning systems, the demand for oh, a military base and radar arrays on the Moon?
None of it.
Just the same old keep-on-keepin'-on of the Cold War. All the military spending was on preparation for and defense against the Soviet bloc.
So much so that when Vietnam came along the military waa so entrenched in European battlefield-type warfare that they had no idea how to cope with the Viet Cong.
All our air-defense efforts were to counter Soviet air attack.
Ditto for anti-missile defenses....Designed specifically (if never particularly successfully) to address incoming ICBMs, not incoming flying saucers.
Surely someone in the government would have been just a little concerned.

Unless of course the aliens were contributing heavily to campaign war-chests.....
 
It would be more convincing if the death-bed testimony was that of the alien.
 
Wolfman said:
No kidding. I'd like to set up some sort of elaborate hoax, with various clues and 'secret documents' hidden all over the world.Just before I die, I make a death-bed confession, and give hints to a location that contains a summary of these documents, and their import -- in short, than I was kidnapped by hostile aliens as a child, then rescued by other 'friendly' aliens, who revealed to me a secret plot to control our world's governments. Ever since, I've been working with a small resistance movement of humans and aliens working together to prevent this.

There will then be a variety of clues as to where true 'truth seekers' can go to find more information. Each cache of information will reveal a little knowledge, while giving further clues as to where to go next.

Of course, I'd state that I couldn't reveal this until after my death, to prevent the aliens knowing about what I'm doing. But now, we're reaching the point of fruition, and it is important for the world to know what is going on.

I'd throw in various references to the CIA, the illuminati, and other such organizations, of course.

Wonder how many suckers people I could get to buy into it? Only sad thing is that I wouldn't be around to enjoy the results. As deathbed confessions go, it'd have to rank fairly high. :D
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If nothing else it sounds like an interesting game.
 
Wolfman said:
No kidding. I'd like to set up some sort of elaborate hoax, with various clues and 'secret documents' hidden all over the world.Just before I die, I make a death-bed confession, and give hints to a location that contains a summary of these documents, and their import -- in short, than I was kidnapped by hostile aliens as a child, then rescued by other 'friendly' aliens, who revealed to me a secret plot to control our world's governments. Ever since, I've been working with a small resistance movement of humans and aliens working together to prevent this.

There will then be a variety of clues as to where true 'truth seekers' can go to find more information. Each cache of information will reveal a little knowledge, while giving further clues as to where to go next.

Of course, I'd state that I couldn't reveal this until after my death, to prevent the aliens knowing about what I'm doing. But now, we're reaching the point of fruition, and it is important for the world to know what is going on.

I'd throw in various references to the CIA, the illuminati, and other such organizations, of course.

Wonder how many suckers people I could get to buy into it? Only sad thing is that I wouldn't be around to enjoy the results. As deathbed confessions go, it'd have to rank fairly high. :D
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Since you're a fictional character already, why not just fake your death to get the aliens off your back? That part couldn't be in the book, of course -- at least not the first one.
Reichenbach Falls might be an appropriate venue.
 
On reading the comments section the believers don't seem particularly convinced. One even asked 'Is this the 1st False Flag UFO interview?'

I like it. They're so far out in the ether they won't even trust their own nonsense. That's got to be a hell of a state of mind.
 
In addition to all of your fine points, there's this nugget of information about end-stage renal disease:

PubMed said:
Delirium is a common phenomenon observed in dialysis patients due to electrolyte imbalances that may occur after a dialysis run termed as the dialysis disequilibrium syndrome or as a consequence of medical or surgical complications.7 The causes may include uremia, anemia and hyperparathyroidism. In any aging population having diabetes and receiving dialysis, dementia may occur due to Alzheimer's disease, vascular causes and dialysis dementia syndrome. The latter is a progressive disorder and is often fatal.
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So in short, this guy might not even be lying, he might wholeheartedly believe that what he's saying is true. My mom has dementia and she believes that 3 squirrels "ratted" on her to the nursing home staff recently. She was yelling at the squirrels in front of me (only she could see them). She genuinely believes that the nursing home staff are incubating mutant humans by forcing the more moribund patients to hold onto "pods" and keep them warm until the pods crack open a la Invasion of the Body Snatchers. She also believes that there are people from England conspiring against her (we're in California and are not English, nor has she ever been to England, nor does anyone with an English accent work at the nursing home). The English people left snake eggs in the food carts that hatch and slide out of the ventilation holes. Honestly I'm surprised that I haven't heard about aliens yet (although the mutant body-snatching pod people are pretty close).

The point is, the human mind can manufacture a lot of really crazy things based on just a small amount of organic brain damage due to illness. End stage kidney disease is one of the illnesses well-known for causing delusions and hallucinations.
 
I can't help thinking of the advice I heard somewhere - if you're injured, and don't have health insurance, shout out "I killed JFK!" and then fake passing out in front of the doctors - you'll get the best medical care money can buy.
 
I have been at the side of only one deathbed in my time, and that person was so full of pain killers that half of what she said made no sense.

It was my Grandmother and we were actually hoping she would reveal some family secrets before she went, but she took them to the grave.
 
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