Death penalty in the UK

[Ed]

I knew Europe would start coming around. Now we'll get them well armed.




"Shadow home secretary: Bring back death penalty
By Colin Brown and David Bamber
(Filed: 16/11/2003)


David Davis, the shadow home secretary, yesterday demanded the reintroduction of the death penalty.

In his first interview since his appointment last week, Mr Davis backed the return of capital punishment in cases of "clearly pre-meditated and cold-blooded murder". He favours the use of lethal injections over more antiquated methods such as hanging. "

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/11/16/ncrim16.xml

 

[geni]

d*mn

I'm not voting for him at the next election (not that I would have anyway).

 

[Abdul Alhazred]

... Mr Davis backed the return of capital punishment in cases of "clearly pre-meditated and cold-blooded murder". He favours the use of lethal injections over more antiquated methods such as hanging. "

But hanging is a much more satisfying spectacle. And so much more English. Nothing beats a good old-fashioned public hanging.

Does he prefer Coors Lite to the more antiquated Bass Ale?

 

[Zep]

Yes, we've got pro-death-penalty guys rabbiting on here too. Even though it has been gone since 1966. And they're just as heeded here...

Worth noting that this chappy is the shadow Home Secretary, which means the Opposition, i.e. Tories currently. Who happen to be the political party way on the outer with the British public in a number of areas. So his would probably be a tiny minority voice...

*YAWN*

 

[geni]

Worth noting that this chappy is the shadow Home Secretary, which means the Opposition, i.e. Tories currently. Who happen to be the political party way on the outer with the British public in a number of areas. So his would probably be a tiny minority voice...

*YAWN*

I wish. The majority here suports the death penalty.

 

[corplinx]

Good for the UK. Just remember to keep the cost of it less than what it would take to just board and feed the animals for the rest of their lives. We f*cked that one up here in the states and now it makes more sense not to kill them since its cheaper.

 

[The Fool]

Good for the UK. Just remember to keep the cost of it less than what it would take to just board and feed the animals for the rest of their lives. We f*cked that one up here in the states and now it makes more sense not to kill them since its cheaper.

What could they dump to save money? Presumption of Inocence, right of appeal, due process maybe? How about they do away with the jury?

The simple fact is its easy to mouth off when you are in opposition. You don't have to implement anything you rant about.

 

[Zep]

I wish. The majority here suports the death penalty.

Is that the majority according to The Mirror and The Sun, or according to a plebescite of the people?

 

[corplinx]

What could they dump to save money? Presumption of Inocence, right of appeal, due process maybe? How about they do away with the jury?

The simple fact is its easy to mouth off when you are in opposition. You don't have to implement anything you rant about.

A point which you prove for yourself. You mouth off pretty well and make no sense at all.

How is it a death penalty is more expensive than a life in prison penalty to begin with? Is their no presumption of innocence when someone is given a life sentence? Is that why its cheaper?

Try using your skeptical powers instead of shooting off your mouth like an idiot. You can be a good knife in defense of something you believe in but you all but put on a blindfold when its on the other side.

 

[Mr Manifesto]

A point which you prove for yourself. You mouth off pretty well and make no sense at all.

How is it a death penalty is more expensive than a life in prison penalty to begin with? Is their no presumption of innocence when someone is given a life sentence? Is that why its cheaper?

Try using your skeptical powers instead of shooting off your mouth like an idiot. You can be a good knife in defense of something you believe in but you all but put on a blindfold when its on the other side.

When you're in prison for life, there's always the chance that some evidence might come to light that will free you. Several people in Australia have been freed after DNA testing. Who would have guessed, twenty years ago, that we would be able to tell if someone committed a crime with DNA?

There are people who would be dead now if there was a death penalty, especially without all the avenues of appeal and due process taht you advocate.

 

[The Fool]

A point which you prove for yourself. You mouth off pretty well and make no sense at all.

No sense at all? Damn....


How is it a death penalty is more expensive than a life in prison penalty to begin with? Is their no presumption of innocence when someone is given a life sentence? Is that why its cheaper?

I could tell you but I make no sense at all....




Try using your skeptical powers instead of shooting off your mouth like an idiot. You can be a good knife in defense of something you believe in but you all but put on a blindfold when its on the other side.
Sorry about shooting off my mouth like an idiot but when I saw your well considered "board and feed the animals for the rest of their lives" I thought it was a "shoot your mouth off like an idiot" competition, my bad.

 

[The Don]

The death penalty has historically been one of the few issues on which a free vote (no party position) is allowed.

I prefer trial by ordeal as a legal system rather than the rather cumbersome legal due process

 

[Zep]

The death penalty has historically been one of the few issues on which a free vote (no party position) is allowed.

I prefer trial by ordeal as a legal system rather than the rather cumbersome legal due process

Does she weigh more than a duck?

 

[Abdul Alhazred]

Is that the majority according to The Mirror and The Sun, or according to a plebescite of the people?

I don't know how it divides by party in the UK or Australia, but in the United States it doesn't.

In my state, Illinois, it was a Republican governor (Ryan) who placed a moratorium of death penalties, and a Democrat (Blagojevich) now trying to bring it back.

In New York, which now has the death penalty, it was the other way around.

In Texas, the consensus is so broad that uniquely among the states, the governor has no authority commute a death sentence (though a temporary stay is possible).

Some states have it on the books, but in practise never impose it. New Jersey for example.

Bill Clinton was enthusiastic for it.

Many examples either way.

Even radical leftists are divided.

What!? Not kill the bastard!? It's just a question of who is picking which bastard.

 

[Zep]

It doesn't divide the major parties here at all as it is hardly a front-line issue. It's only a handful of the up-against-the-wall-come-the-revolution folks or the pseudo-nazis who pursue this as a definite item of policy here. Choruses of yawns greet their every move...

However there are also the newly bereaved families, such as those who lost relatives in Bali, who would also not say no to the death penalty for the killers and rapists. These folks are much easier to sympathise with, and heaven knows we all have a natural urge to exact an equal revenge on their behalf - eye for an eye. It is they who make this subject very difficult at times...

 

[JamesM]

The death penalty has historically been one of the few issues on which a free vote (no party position) is allowed.

Yes, and the Tories have made it clear it's not their party policy, just Davis' personal opinion. Probably to make him look tough for the grass-roots.

 

[BillyTK]

There's always some Tory calling for the return of capital punishment or serfdom or droit de seigneur or somesuch nonsense. As such, Davis joins such Tory party luminaries as Anne Widdicombe who said, "If it can be shown that it is a real deterrent and its availability, not its regular use, is enough to deter murderers and save innocent lives, then I think that is a case that can be made." Don't know how they figure they can prove that, but they have short memories of why capital punishment was dropped in the first place; they might wish to check up on the cases of Ruth Ellis and Derek Bentley.

 

[Jon_in_london]

Well, the Tories other wonderfull idea is to ship all illegal immigrants off to an imaginary impoverished desert island where they will all eat fish and coconuts, just like in the movies.

Of course, the Tories can say whatever they want since they are never going to be elected anyway.

 

[Hypocolius]

How is it a death penalty is more expensive than a life in prison penalty to begin with? Is their no presumption of innocence when someone is given a life sentence? Is that why its cheaper?

I've heard that it is considerably more expensive (in the US) to execute someone rather than imprison them for life. Soemthing to do with the lengthy, and very expensive, series of appeals that all death row inmates are entitled to, but lifers aren't.

 

[RonSceptic]

This staement is no suprise given how often the Tories kill off their own leaders. They are currently on their third leader in the current parliament.