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Dear Steering Committee of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice

GregoryUrich

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GregoryUrich
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Dear Steering Committee of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice,

I hereby resign my membership with Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice and respectfully demand that all information on the public web site regarding my membership status be updated to reflect this or be removed. My reasons for this decision are that the organization does not live up to its charter regarding “evidence based scientific inquiry” or democratic principles.

I have repeatedly called on the steering committee to reign in abuses by the moderator (Victoria Ashley) on the discussion forum only to be ignored. The abuses have ranged from anti-scientific censorship tactics (i.e. moving unwanted arguments to the “Debunker” sub-forum) to the banning of members who actually call others to the mat to support their spurious claims. I have repeatedly asked the steering committee to make a simple statement to the effect that ALL evidence based arguments should be permitted on the “Scientific Analysis” sub-forum.

An earlier letter to the steering committee:
Dear Friends,

I have sent the moderators at the STJ911 forum the following questions and posted them repeatedly on the forum:
1. I believe the analysis by Kuttler (WTC1) is incorrect for a number of reasons. Is it OK to post on the Scientific Analysis forum demonstrating what is wrong with this analysis?

2. Is it OK to challenge each generally accepted theory or results which I believe may be incorrect on the Scientific Analysis forum?

3. If I think that gravitational collapse is the most likely cause of the destruction of WTC1 and 2, is it OK to argue that on the Scientific Analysis forum?

No answers have been forthcoming. Considering the hundreds of hours I have put into sincere work for our cause, I believe I at least deserve answers to these questions. Any support you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Let's not let science and truth die on our watch.

Best regards,
Gregory Urich
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These calls for a commitment to the scientific process have fallen on deaf ears. In all fairness, Steven Jones has supported this, but he is not on the steering committee. Actually, one steering committee member did support this and was subsequently banned from the discussion forum after repeatedly arguing my point of view.

The organization, Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice, is supposed to be democratic in accord with the frequently asked questions on the web site which is as close to a charter as I can find for the group:
5. "Who is in charge now, and how does the group operate?"
An elected steering committee will be in charge of the website and its contents. Currently an ad hoc committee is in place. Administrative positions will be limited to one year. Important decisions affecting the whole group will be submitted via email to the membership.
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To my knowledge, the original ad-hoc committee has retained their positions for years, there have been no elections and not a single “important decision” has ever been submitted to the whole group.

Needless to say, I am extremely disappointed by the organization. In my opinion the group no longer functions in its search for truth, but has come down on the side of delusion and misinformation. I hope my resignation is a wakeup call to the steering committee and members. Justice can never be served if the truth is secondary to the movement.

Sincerely,
Gregory Urich
 
Hokulele said:
Do they have a mailing address where you can send hard copies of your request and concerns?
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I sent the message to the steering committee members via email. I have had email dialogs with the steering committee on all these issues for over a year now.
 
A W Smith said:
Gregory, I am baffled that it took you this long to come to those conclusions,
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Actually, I came to this conclusion about a year ago but I wanted to retain access to the discussion forum to try and argue for rationality. Since I recently got banned from the discussion forum, I have no reason to remain a member. I got banned for a statement to the effect that:

"I continue to search for the truth, which is why I don't spend much time here anymore."
 
GregoryUrich said:
I sent the message to the steering committee members via email. I have had email dialogs with the steering committee on all these issues for over a year now.
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I don't know if you are from the U.S., but if you use snail mail, you can request a Return Receipt with the signature and address of the recipient. This way if they do not honor your request to be removed from their list of registered members, you have some proof that not only did you make the request, but that someone acknowledged receiving it.

I admit, you can do the same thing with e-mail Return Receipt.
 
Let see if I understand this correctly, a member of the steering committee, the members charged with managing the group, was banned from the forums for arguing in your favor?

How is that possible other than showing that the committee is nothing but a public figurehead that holds no real authority.
 
Alareth said:
Let see if I understand this correctly, a member of the steering committee, the members charged with managing the group, was banned from the forums for arguing in your favor?

How is that possible other than showing that the committee is nothing but a public figurehead that holds no real authority.
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I don't know if you could call it a public figurehead...the steering committee members are not publicly known, and not widely known within the group as far as I can tell.
 
I cannot say I am the least bit surprised by their actions. Welcome to Pseudoscience at its finest GU.

TAM:)
 
GregoryUrich said:
I don't know if you could call it a public figurehead...the steering committee members are not publicly known, and not widely known within the group as far as I can tell.
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And Victoria Ashley? Who is that? Did you ever meet her? B. Architecture, M.A.,Psychology - Psychology researcher. Has, according to 911research's "Who are we", " ... contributed unique insights into the modes and methods of misinformation used to marginalize the 9/11 Truth Movement."
 
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Childlike Empress said:
And Victoria Ashley? Who is that? Did you ever meet her? B. Architecture, M.A.,Psychology - Psychology researcher. Has, according to 911research's "Who are we", " ... contributed unique insights into the modes and methods of misinformation used to marginalize the 9/11 Truth Movement."
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And no doubt she's used her "unique insights" to determine that Gregory is disinfo. Should we assume you agree?
 
Childlike Empress said:
And Victoria Ashley? Who is that? Did you ever meet her? B. Architecture, M.A.,Psychology - Psychology researcher. Has, according to 911research's "Who are we", " ... contributed unique insights into the modes and methods of misinformation used to marginalize the 9/11 Truth Movement."
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Who is anybody? I think she's been the moderator of the STJ911 forum since its inception. I've heard that she is Jim Hoffman's wife or "partner". I don't know if that's true but my impression is that she is well connected within the truth movement.

What I do know is that she single handedly, with the support of Kevin Ryan, destroyed the scientific process on that forum. Valid arguments were segregated based on the source (e.g. Greening, Mackey, etc.) so that they wouldn't gain any weight. Presenting evidence against CD was tolerated for a short while but then it was made heretical and relegated to the debunker subforum. There are no (and never have been any) debunkers on that forum!
 
GregoryUrich said:
These calls for a commitment to the scientific process have fallen on deaf ears. In all fairness, Steven Jones has supported this, but he is not on the steering committee. Actually, one steering committee member did support this and was subsequently banned from the discussion forum after repeatedly arguing my point of view.
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Bolding mine. This surprises me, I would have assumed that Dr. Jones was very much driving the behavior of the group.

Anyway, you tried. I give you credit for sticking with them long, long after I would have written them off -- you have to admit, the latest "paper" by Dr. MacQueen and Mr. Szamboti is neither the first pile of junk, nor the worst, they've put forth. It's a pity you couldn't help them see their own problems.

In the end, your goals were simply incompatible. You're looking for factual answers, and they're not.
 
Thanks for posting this, Gregory. You made a wise decision.
 
GregoryUrich said:
Who is anybody? I think she's been the moderator of the STJ911 forum since its inception. I've heard that she is Jim Hoffman's wife or "partner". I don't know if that's true but my impression is that she is well connected within the truth movement.
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When Jim Hoffman has been e-mailed regarding the contents of his 911research site, Victoria Ashley has responded, so there is at least some connection between them.

Here is what is said about Ashley at 911research:

Victoria Ashley has been researching the attack since 2003, and has contributed unique insights into the modes and methods of misinformation used to marginalize the 9/11 Truth Movement. Ashley highlighted the importance of Steven Jones' work in the essay A Physics Professor Speaks Out on 9-11: Reason, Publicity, and Reaction, and helped to organize the Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice group.
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http://911research.wtc7.net/re911/about.html#who
 
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