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David Farrant- Psychic investigator.

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I've opened this thread because The Sean Manchester threads have attracted a number of new members to the forum, including David Farrant, President, British Psychic and Occult Society/The Highgate Vampire Society.

I am very interested to heat what David has to say on a number of paranormal topics

Can I make a two general requests,

1) can everyone, whatever their worldview please be polite- the Sean Manchester threads have tended to get a little heated to the detriment of discussion (and I am at fault there too)

2) Can we please not rake over personal matters nearly 30 years in the past, and how those personal matters have spread since- there is plenty of discussion on the Manchester threads about those things, I don't want to start another thread along the same lines.

I would like this thread to focus on David's understanding of the paranormal, and his evidence for the paranormal.

David,
You describe yourself in the other thread as a "psychic investigator", do you consider yourself a "psychic who investigates", or an investigator of psychic phenomena? (or both)

You state that you don't believe in "blood sucking vampires", do you believe in anything which you would label as a "vampire", what properties to these "vampires" have?

What would you consider the best evidence which you have gathered for the existence of the paranormal, vampires or psychic phenomena?

Thanks.
 
Just a suggestion:

Perhaps we could ask one of the mods to moderate this thread to avoid any spillover from the feud to this thread to keep it not only civil but on point?


ETA:

I certainly don't want Mr. Ferrant or Mr. Manchester (Myth Buster) to feel they are simply in a flame war when we wish to seriously discuss their work.
 
To appear fair, should we also start a contained thread for Manchester/Mythbuster, so we can keep his replies all in one place? I still have questions for him and they've been lost and/or dodged in the other threads.
 
The Vampire said:
To appear fair, should we also start a contained thread for Manchester/Mythbuster, so we can keep his replies all in one place? I still have questions for him and they've been lost and/or dodged in the other threads.
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Ah, well done. 2 moderated threads for each to present their views and discuss them without flaming.

Sounds good to me, but I pity the poor moderator who accepts that duty.

(Which means I would totally do it, if I were a moderator.)
 
David,

My question to you: The Highgate case never received that much press in the US. What we had focused of Sean Manchester with only a passing reference to you. So, how did you become involved with this alleged vampire case?

There is a great amount of conflicting information on the internet. Were you a member of Sean Manchester's Occult Society, or were you operating on your own initiative?
 
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The Vampire said:
To appear fair, should we also start a contained thread for Manchester/Mythbuster, so we can keep his replies all in one place? I still have questions for him and they've been lost and/or dodged in the other threads.
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When this happened elsewhere. They too had two seperate threads to make life easier. However you've already got the Sean Manchester thread so I wouldn't have thought it necessary to create a new one. I've noticed now MythBuster (Sean Manchester) seems to have disappeared from this message board.

Catherine.
 
CatherineFearnley said:
When this happened elsewhere. They too had two seperate threads to make life easier. However you've already got the Sean Manchester thread so I wouldn't have thought it necessary to create a new one. I've noticed now MythBuster (Sean Manchester) seems to have disappeared from this message board.

Catherine.
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Fair enough. Though, I personally would like to see some sort of civil discussion. My curiosity is piqued, and I am not rude normally unless someone threatens me with prosecution under the UK's Religious Hate laws ;)

No seriously, screw manchester. Let's you, Barbara, david and us discuss whatever, and leave manchester to his empty threats of lawsuit.

Anyway, in case I forgot to post this, welcome to you, barabra and david. :)
 
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FOR BRODSKI AND THE VAMPIRE,

Thank you for your questions. I will answer both of you; hopefully not in the midst of so much confusion about my apparent 'feud' with Mr. Manchester. (Believe it or not this is very much a 'one-sided feud'; or one instigated mainly by Mr. Manchester).

Thank you for your thought of creating this new thread, Brodski. I am not expecting that we will fully agree, but at least I hope I may be able to clarify a few basic facts for you.

For now,

David (Farrant)
 
DavidFarrant said:
Thank you for your questions. I will answer both of you; hopefully not in the midst of so much confusion about my apparent 'feud' with Mr. Manchester.
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Yes, i would like to keep this thread as free from "other" issues as possible.

(Believe it or not this is very much a 'one-sided feud'; or one instigated mainly by Mr. Manchester).
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I can believe many things of Mr. Manchester. :)

Thank you for your thought of creating this new thread, Brodski. I am not expecting that we will fully agree, but at least I hope I may be able to clarify a few basic facts for you.

For now,

David (Farrant)
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I look forward to your replies.
 
Warm Welcome

fowlsound said:
Fair enough. Though, I personally would like to see some sort of civil discussion. My curiosity is piqued, and I am not rude normally unless someone threatens me with prosecution under the UK's Religious Hate laws ;)

No seriously, screw manchester. Let's you, Barbara, david and us discuss whatever, and leave manchester to his empty threats of lawsuit.

Anyway, in case I forgot to post this, welcome to you, barabra and david. :)
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Thanks for the welcome. We too are looking forward to sensible discussion for a change which hopefully will not involve any direct insults and accusations from the Manchester camp. Let's have some decent questioning for a change.

Catherine
 
An Answer - Or a Start

For Brodski, Skeptic Guy and The Vampire,

I have noted all your questions which I will answer. Your questions are really quite complex, Brodski, as is Skeptic Guy's further one - not difficult at all, but need a little more time than I have at this exact moment. The Vampire's question is really quite simple in comparrison so I will deal with this first - after all, she is a lady!

The Vampire basically asks how I became involved with the Highgate 'vampire' and if I was 'ever a member of Manchester's Society'.

To answer your first point first: I never became involved with the 'Highgate Vampire', simply because there never was a 'Highgate Vampire'!

There WAS an unexplained phenomenon - or 'ghost' - that had been witnessed at Highgate Cemetery (including by myself) in late 1969 and in the early 1970's. But this phenomenon (although genuine as far as such things are said to go) was NOT a 'vampire'. It got turned into one by certain people trying to cash in on the original investigation by the British Psychic and Occult Society into an earthbound entity, or 'ghost, that had been witnessed in and around Highgate Cemetery.

This investigation got 'slightly out of hand' as I tried to explain earlier, and which I will go into more later.

Was I ever a member of Mr. Manchester's society? No. Quite simply because he never had any society.

I formed the British Psychic and Occult Society back in 1967. It started out with a small group of people interested in unexplained phenomena, mainly locally in the Highgate area at first. I firsy met Mr. Manchester in 1967 when he was playing the saxophone in a local pub in Highgate called The Woodman, and it was then that he first learned of the Society's activities and investigations into paranormal activity and 'ghosts'. Highgate Cemetery was not fully 'on the agenda' then, although I had first visited HC in 1962 and I was well aware of all the local stories about a 'ghost' said to lurk there. I only really took the case up several years later. Mr. Mnchester came to learn about this, and the next moment the Highgate ghost - or enexplained phenomenon - got turned into a 'vampire'!

This might be anover-simplified answer, but it is nevertheless all true.

I will get back to the other points tomorrow.

For the moment,

David
 
I so hate it when someone steals my perfectly good graveyard ghost and converts it to vampirism.
 
David Farrant writes:

There WAS an unexplained phenomenon - or 'ghost' - that had been witnessed at Highgate Cemetery (including by myself) in late 1969 and in the early 1970's. But this phenomenon (although genuine as far as such things are said to go) was NOT a 'vampire'.
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According to http://www.afallon.com/stories/highgate.htm :

David Farrant, who lives in Muswell Hill Road, said that the reports of grave robbery sprang from his own investigations into a ghostly apparition seen in Highgate Cemetery.

He said: "I went into the cemetery at night to investigate them, thinking they were nothing more than tree branches casting shadows in the moonlight, but I myself saw a tall figure that convinced me.

"We went down there a few nights later to hold a seance, but were arrested by the police who were keeping watch."
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If this is accurate, what exactly "convinced" you that what you saw was indeed a figure, and that it was of paranormal origin?
 
Aaaah yes the good ol' turn the ghost to a vamp routine... and you dont question whether there was a 'ghost' or not? How is the 'ghost'-story more likely than the vamp one?
 
Me thinks Myth seems quite familiar with this topic for someone unafilliated with neither party... :catfight:
 
Clu said:
Me thinks Myth seems quite familiar with this topic for someone unafilliated with neither party...
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Not "affiliated" with either party, but in communication to varying degrees over a period of time for research purposes with both parties.
 
Can we drop the ad hom drek and discuss the specific claim(s) regarding paranormal activity and any objective, verifiable evidence in support of said claim(s)?
 
Well... In reviewing what we have so far, I'm going to be MIGHTY surprised if this is not just another way for Mr Farrant to self-publicise via this forum. Call it a hunch, or intuition, if you will.

However, I can be surprised. Carry on!
 
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