Culd someone post this for me on the Forteam message board?

Ersby

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http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=13511&perpage=15&pagenumber=13

(no surprises!) Lucian is stirring up more trouble. If it's not too much trouble, could one of the people who've registered for both here and there post the following by means of reply for me. Many thanks.

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Hello to everyone on the FTMB. I’m sorry that this unpleasantness has to drag on, but I’d like to say something regarding Lucian’s post re. Ladybrook.

This is now the second time in the last month that Lucianarchy has mentioned me in disparaging terms in a thread in which I was previously not involved. I hope this pattern is not to be repeated, especially not on a message board where I am unable to defend myself.

Given the recent problems with people posting insults about people on other boards, I find Lucian’s insistence on following that course of action most concerning for future relations between JREF and FTMB.

May I respectfully ask that the italic part of Lucian’s post be edited to remove (a) the first sentence, and (b) everything after the words “Corbin posted anyway” since it distorts my worldview to the point of surrealism.

Finally, if anyone wants to know the problems I had with the “Ladybrook” prediction (points which Lucian never addressed) that sparked this rather nasty character assassination, they may email me at ersby@hotmail.com

Sorry to be a bind, but I think this goes beyond the pail. Hope you understand.
 
Done - see http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=338006#post338006

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I'm a bit uncomfortable with what I've just done but from your posts I consider you a reasonable and honest poster & debater so I think it is fair that your response to the Big Liar's baseless allegations is aired. (I've reported my post to the mods at FTMB so that they can take any action they see fit, I hope they will let it stand.)

I also know that in the past the Big Lair has tried to character assassinate quite a few people here at JREF (starting with Randi, Linda and Jeff no less) by misquoting, quoting out of context and other deceits so I doubt anyone here still believes anything it posts. But appreciate that since the FTMB members don't know yet what type of "person" the Big Liar is you feel frustrated that it is repeating the same lies about you elsewhere.
 
Lucianarchy is alive and well and posting this, on the FTMBI found the JREFers often the best people to bounce questions off. Indeed, as a barometer of how likely something is to actually exist, is to present it to a pseudo-skeptic. The more they deny and the more vociferous they get in their denial. The more likely it often is that there actually is strong evidence to support its existence!
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Many woo-woos now use the term "pseudo-skeptic" in exactly the same way that tobacco industry uses the term "pseudo-science" when referring to studies that show how unhealthy smoking is.
 
Over from the FTMB....Lucianarchy came across as an interesting character when they first showed up, which is why people initially listened to Lucianarchy's story .

Claus/Skeptic Report got people's backs up by coming on so strong, IMO Lucianarchy's pushing their luck a bit now and may find thing get less sympathetic.

There's obviously history between Lucianarchy and Claus/Skeptic Report - still trying to piece it together.
 
Timble said:
Over from the FTMB....Lucianarchy came across as an interesting character when they first showed up, which is why people initially listened to Lucianarchy's story .

Claus/Skeptic Report got people's backs up by coming on so strong, IMO Lucianarchy's pushing their luck a bit now and may find thing get less sympathetic.

There's obviously history between Lucianarchy and Claus/Skeptic Report - still trying to piece it together.
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Welcome! Please take some time to have a look round, some great threads about.

Just seen your message in "New Posters". There's quite a wealth of nationalities that post here, we have a particularly strong (well vocal anyway) Danish contingent but I think you are already acquainted with one of them :)

(And over here if you claim that 100 angels can dance on the head of a pin, be ready to be asked “Knitting or crocheting pin? " )
 
Thanks, Darat (but did you have to replicate the spelling mistakes? I was upset!) ;)

Anyway, not that it's worth anything, for a long time I've been wondering if I should have my "field name" (that thing under your screen name) changed to "Fortean" since I consider myself closer to the work of Fort than anything else.

I'm kind of glad I didn't.

I'm very sad to be dragged into all of this.

And welcome to Timble. I hope you'll stick around, You'll need to sort the wheat from the chaff, but it is worth it. Honest.
 
Ersby said:
Thanks, Darat (but did you have to replicate the spelling mistakes? I was upset!) ;)

Anyway, not that it's worth anything, for a long time I've been wondering if I should have my "field name" (that thing under your screen name) changed to "Fortean" since I consider myself closer to the work of Fort than anything else.

I'm kind of glad I didn't.

I'm very sad to be dragged into all of this.

And welcome to Timble. I hope you'll stick around, You'll need to sort the wheat from the chaff, but it is worth it. Honest.
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No problem - you'll be pleased to know that one of the Mods over there posted this:

schnor at http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13511&perpage=40&pagenumber=6

Enough.

Ersby has every right to feel slighted at Lucianarchy's post when he/she can't defend their position, so I say to Lucianarchy, leave off. We, and the folks over at JREF both realise this is both unhelpful and counterproductive; they have their bailiwick, and we ours.

Cross-message board flames will not be tolerated. Most us here are sick and tired of the bickering, finger-pointing, deliberate obfuscation and circular arguments. It all ends here.

Can we please get back OT, or I'll close the thread and issue warnings in line with FTMB guidelines as mentioned above. It’s as simple as that.

I'm sure you would all agree that that would be a shame, but it seems some of you just don't get it, so I'm making it clear.
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And of course the Big Liar can't help its own nature, so it shot back with

the Big Liar

Don't get it?

My post there, in response to SR's claims about myself ( I'd like to at least defend that, I'm sure you'll agree that's only right and proper) inadvertantly included someone's 'pen' name from the JREF. Sorry for not removing the name earlier, but it was, as I said, a copy of my summing up of the whole affair. It is very much on topic.

Snore, these are pretty serious issues. There are bound to be high feelings about it. If I inadvertantly break a forum rule, I'd appreciate it if you PM'd me, or I am happy for a Mod to alter it in my abscence. But your own wading in here, spouting your own high feelings is akin to doing just about what you are complaining about and imo does not really help the situation on the thread itself and only serves to drag it further off course. In fact, think about it, I am just about the only one today who has even remained on-topic.
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Pity the little fool didn't realise that schnor was a "Mod"... ! :D

As the saying goes “A leopard never changes its spots”, I'm sure the intelligent people over at FTMB will soon cotton on.
 
Well, at least Lucian has edited out my (and everyone else's) name. Though, truth be told, that doesn't stop it from being a feebly disguised poison-pen letter.

Lucian claims his post was in response to Claus (SR), but it was in response to me (no emails to me asking to find out the truth, by the way) so where does that leave Lucian?

I hope the FTMB people come to love Lucian in the same "special" way that we at the JREF did.
 
I certainly don't want to fan any embers back into flames (in any sense), but just read the relevant threads over at the other message board.

(1) They have a pretty good group over there, IMO;

(2) It is a pity that none of them know Lucianarchy from usenet or one of the other boards he visited;

(3) It is a pity that Claus was in full "roll the tanks" mode when we arrived.

As an aside, Claus -- I will admit that with some posters (and I would definitely include L. in that list) -- it takes a bare-knuckled, herculean persistence to obtain anything resembling an answer from them. Given that - and past history with L. - I can certainly understand why you've adopted that mode to deal with at least some of the people making claims. But in a brand new environment, one that was unaware of L.'s true nature, you may as well have lit grenades and run in yelling "BANZAI"!

A fair number of people on the forum would have given you a fair hearing, but allowed themselves to become side-tracked by your perceived hostility. Essentially, it re-inforced their semi-stereotyped image of a "die hard debunker." That was unfortunate, as the message was obscured by that reaction.

(4) The less confrontational rules on that message board made it slightly easier for L. to duck challenges and questions.

While their rules may be superior for a fair number of topics (and I certainly sympathize with the "play nice" policy), L. has had many years practice in avoiding giving full and complete answers. This, invariably, leads to people either eventually giving up (99%) or looking like they are harassing poor him (1% - Mainly Claus :D ). Unfortunately in this case, Claus hit their board in full stride, but they never had a chance to see L.'s tactics of wriggling around and claiming victimhood before seeing Claus' (to them, pre-emptive and unprovoked) response.

Anyway, kudos to Darat, ersby and JamesM for staying on message after that.

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Carp. This thread was even older than I thought.

Um. Nothing to see here. Move along. Nothing going on.
 
They have some rules about warnings!?

I was banned outright and my e-mails were ignored subsequently for suggesting that someone's 'Lost time' in a UFO abduction type experience might be interpreted by a psychiatrist as delusions covering blocked traumatic memories.

Fortean Times Board governors can forget all credibility in my books if that is there answer to logical challenges.
 
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