Crop circles are for real ~ Not woo!

[Iamme]

I was watching tv a couple nights ago and stumbled upon a show on crop circles (again) and Nazca lines. The Nasca lines are okay, but I believe there are all kinds of reasons they were made and may have nothing to do with aliens. So I am going to concentrate here on the crop circles. It could be something as simple as these people trying to pay homage to their gods in the sky.

Here is the deal in a nutshell: The crop circles I saw were too complex for any human being or group of human beings, on some night(s) to come out and create. Some of them are as complex as lace doillies. But this is the weirdest part. From an aerial view...they...ALL of them...are absolutely flawless. There is not one deviation outside of perfect symmetry!
Even if one considers that they used string from some center point, I still don't see how these could have been made, even with 12 people on some given night. I am a person who is very much into design and enginering and I just don't see it happening. There would have to be a few flaws here and there. But there never is. None of them. They are all perfect.

Consider that I haven't heard ONE report of a crop circle being found half-finished. Have you ever thought about that? And there have been thousands discovered.

Also, because there are so many crop circles in and abouts Stonehenge, some believe that Stonehenge was tribute to, and designed after a crop circle and may have actually been built over one! It makes sense.


Consider also, that crop circles may not have come from aliens but from forces withing the earth. Like, the earth gods are "speaking" to us, by using the still not fully understood laws governing electromagnetism. Look how nature can make a cropcircle- looking snowflake for example, before you discredit this.

Some experts claim that only a measely 5% of crop circles have been credited to hoaxers and artists. You can argue all you want that if man can make crop circles that this proves they were most likely ALL made by crop circles. Not so. Consider that man can make diamond. Does that mean that original diamonds were made by man? No. Man copied that which was already created!

Alse some experts that deal in electromagnetic radiation claim that these circles have a change of voltage within the circles.

You think all these people who present their evidence for crop circles have some screw loose or they are all lying? I think they present quite the compelling case.

And as I said...when I saw the perfection of these things, I can't fathom that anyone made these things, especially not in any short order.

Do any of you have the computer savvy to bring up and paste some of the more complex circles so we can all look at them?

 

[Ersby]

Consider that I haven't heard ONE report of a crop circle being found half-finished. Have you ever thought about that? And there have been thousands discovered.

I have. Remember that one with the alien and the DNA spirals? That took a few nights to complete. It was seen half-finished by one of the farm-hands who worked there.

I have a Fortean Times article from years ago listing a dozen crop-circle makers. Are you trying to tell me they wouldn't improve their techniques in the space of ten years?

 

[rebecca]

Here is the deal in a nutshell: The crop circles I saw were too complex for any human being or group of human beings, on some night(s) to come out and create. Some of them are as complex as lace doillies.

Oh . . . oh my god, you're right. It's all so clear now.





LACE DOILIES WERE CREATED BY ALIENS!

 

[jmercer]

One of the reasons crop circles are so persuasive is because people can't imagine how they could be done by mundane methods. You used lace doilies as an example; good. Doilies are made by people; the method requires more time than trampling down crops, but the complexity of a doily shows that humans are capable of creating complex symmetry.

What sets the crop circles apart from doilies is the size, not the complexity... and I've seen documentaries that demonstrate the methodology of creating complex crop circles. The ones demostrated clearly illustrate that such things can be done by mundane (but clever) means.

I should also point out that only the "perfect" and "finished" ones may be the ones that make it on TV and other media; after all, if you're trying to stun people with a visual, a crappy crop circle won't hack it. Those probably end up on the cutting room floor.

Finally - I can easily cite the methods used by humans. Can you provide a similar demonstrable process that doesn't involve humans?

 

[LTC8K6]

We know for a fact that the complicated ones can be done by people.
We even know that fairly complex designs can be done overnight by just a few people.

I have noticed a common tendency. If the woo-woo can't figure out how to do something, no one else could either.

From faking bigfoot footprints, to crop circles, to faking UFO photos, to building pyramids, etc., the tendency is the same. I don't know how to do it, so no one else does either.

 

[Cleon]

I was watching tv a couple nights ago and stumbled upon a show on crop circles (again) and Nazca lines.

Great...Another argument by TV show.

The Nasca lines are okay, but I believe there are all kinds of reasons they were made and may have nothing to do with aliens.

How charitable of you.

Here is the deal in a nutshell: The crop circles I saw were too complex for any human being or group of human beings, on some night(s) to come out and create. Some of them are as complex as lace doillies.

Yeah, because NOTHING as complex as LACE DOILIES could EVER be made by human beings!

(How do people say such stupid things with a straight face?)

But this is the weirdest part. From an aerial view...they...ALL of them...are absolutely flawless. There is not one deviation outside of perfect symmetry!
Even if one considers that they used string from some center point, I still don't see how these could have been made, even with 12 people on some given night. I am a person who is very much into design and enginering and I just don't see it happening. There would have to be a few flaws here and there. But there never is. None of them. They are all perfect.

Well, if you don't see it, that must mean they're made by aliens!

Consider that I haven't heard ONE report of a crop circle being found half-finished.

Well, first of all, because you wouldn't necessarily know what it looks like half-finished, so it would very well look completed.

Second of all, listen to this interview from Skepticality and get back to me on that.

Also, because there are so many crop circles in and abouts Stonehenge, some believe that Stonehenge was tribute to, and designed after a crop circle and may have actually been built over one! It makes sense.

No, it doesn't, because this is 100% grade-A bull****.

Consider also, that crop circles may not have come from aliens but from forces withing the earth. Like, the earth gods are "speaking" to us, by using the still not fully understood laws governing electromagnetism. Look how nature can make a cropcircle- looking snowflake for example, before you discredit this.

Oh, yeah, that makes so much more sense.

Some experts claim that only a measely 5% of crop circles have been credited to hoaxers and artists.

"Some experts claim." Amazing how these "experts" aren't named, much less what they're "experts" in.

You can argue all you want that if man can make crop circles that this proves they were most likely ALL made by crop circles. Not so. Consider that man can make diamond. Does that mean that original diamonds were made by man? No. Man copied that which was already created!

Well, that's simply false reasoning. First, an artificial diamond is substantially different from a natural one. Second, nobody's claiming that diamonds are being made by space aliens!

Alse some experts that deal in electromagnetic radiation claim that these circles have a change of voltage within the circles.

Again with the anonymous "experts."

You think all these people who present their evidence for crop circles have some screw loose or they are all lying? I think they present quite the compelling case.

Again, false reasoning. Possible reasons they're not telling the complete truth:

1. They're in on it.
2. Self-delusion.
3. Self-interest (if you've made a living claiming crop circles are made by aliens, you're going to want to perpetuate the myth).
4. They're simply incorrect. (*gasp*)
5. Yes, they're whacked.
6. Space aliens flew millions of light years to get here, but rather than make a big show out of contacting world leaders or appearing over cities or anything, they pick a couple of spots in the middle of nowhere and create some bizarre symbols in corn fields.

Now, which is more likely?

And as I said...when I saw the perfection of these things, I can't fathom that anyone made these things, especially not in any short order.

Argument from personal incredulity. Not buying it.

Do any of you have the computer savvy to bring up and paste some of the more complex circles so we can all look at them?

Why don't you ask these guys, who I'm sure are just covering for the aliens?

 

[Iamme]

Sayyyyyyyy. Who moved this thread. I said it's not woo. It's science! "Paranormal" is too often held in the same regard as misconception, quakery, etc. We may as well move the religion forum to the paranormal forum while we are at it. There is maybe a better chance that religion is more woo than crop circles!

 

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Flawless?! Surely you're joking.

http://www.circlemakers.org/totc2004.html

~~ Paul

 

[Mojo]

Also, because there are so many crop circles in and abouts Stonehenge, some believe that Stonehenge was tribute to, and designed after a crop circle and may have actually been built over one! It makes sense.

Actually, crop circles were seen around Stonehenge because it's reasonably isolated but not too far from Southampton.

 

[Cleon]

Sayyyyyyyy. Who moved this thread. I said it's not woo.

That doesn't make it so. See, science relies on this obnoxious thing called "evidence."

It's science!

Repeating that doesn't make it so.

 

[Fungrim]

From an aerial view...they...ALL of them...are absolutely flawless. There is not one deviation outside of perfect symmetry!

And how do you measure that? I have not seen one single fotograph which not was taken from the side, which means the perspective is slightly off center. You'd have to belly mount a camera on a helicopter and hoover it dead center to get away from that, and even so it probably wouldn't be accurate enough.

I think it is simple, we have one well documented method by which the circles appear. It correctly explains the when, why and how of it. There is no other such explanation. Just hot air.

 

[MRC_Hans]

OK, just because I was into crop circle discussions some time ago, elsewhere, I'll bite:

I was watching tv a couple nights ago and stumbled upon a show on crop circles (again) and Nazca lines. The Nasca lines are okay, but I believe there are all kinds of reasons they were made and may have nothing to do with aliens. So I am going to concentrate here on the crop circles. It could be something as simple as these people trying to pay homage to their gods in the sky.

This is plain silly. The Nazca lines are every bit as complex as crop circles, and they are in a much weirder place. What have they done to you??

Here is the deal in a nutshell: The crop circles I saw were too complex for any human being or group of human beings, on some night(s) to come out and create. Some of them are as complex as lace doillies.

So what? Look ahead of you. What do you see? You see a computer screen with writing on you written by someone half-way around the planet from you. The complexity bringing that to you is many times higher that the complexity of all crop circles ever made put together. Humans are capable of creating incredibly complex structures.

And, some of the most comples crop circles known are provably man-made, like this one:

It seems fairly simple, but those character fonts are killers. As much as 16 archs go into each letter.

But this is the weirdest part. From an aerial view...they...ALL of them...are absolutely flawless. There is not one deviation outside of perfect symmetry!

First of all, that is nonsense. Did you ever transfer a crop circle picture to a flat plane (they're all taken at an angle) and check out the arcs and symmetry. I bet you didn't, but I did on several occasions. Newsflash: They're far from perfect.

Secondly, only the most perfect specimens make it to the media. Who wants to publish a picture of a crappy crop circle?

Even if one considers that they used string from some center point, I still don't see how these could have been made, even with 12 people on some given night.

String? How about laser rulers, GPS devices, compasses, surplus military sightening devices, night vision devices, all available at reasonable prices for ordinary people.

I am a person who is very much into design and enginering and I just don't see it happening.

Don't worry, we won't tell anybody

There would have to be a few flaws here and there. But there never is. None of them. They are all perfect.

Nope.

Consider that I haven't heard ONE report of a crop circle being found half-finished. Have you ever thought about that? And there have been thousands discovered.

Uhh, how do you know if it is half-finished? Any crop circle maker with half a brain will make it in a sequence that looks sensible, even if he doesn't finish it. They start with central features, then add as many frills as time allows. Since you don't know their plans, you cannot know if even ONE SINGLE ONE of them is finished.

Also, because there are so many crop circles in and abouts Stonehenge, some believe that Stonehenge was tribute to, and designed after a crop circle and may have actually been built over one! It makes sense.

In what way does it make sense? Does Stonehenge look like a crop circle? Do you happen to know that Stonehenge was built in at least two distinct phases?

Consider also, that crop circles may not have come from aliens but from forces withing the earth. Like, the earth gods are "speaking" to us, by using the still not fully understood laws governing electromagnetism. Look how nature can make a cropcircle- looking snowflake for example, before you discredit this.

Uhh, yes, nature makes crop circles all over the world. Wind and rain beats down irregular patches in the corn. Very godly. And we know exactly why snow crystals looke like they do. No gods at work there, either

Some experts claim that only a measely 5% of crop circles have been credited to hoaxers and artists.

First of all, this is wrong. Crop Circles "Experts" tend to claim that 80% of crop circles are man-made.

Secondly, those "experts" are are all self-appointed. BTW, they call themselves "Cerealogists".

You can argue all you want that if man can make crop circles that this proves they were most likely ALL made by crop circles.

Yes, I know. No matter of serious argumentation is going to sway you. Your mind is made up, and you won't be confused with facts.

Not so. Consider that man can make diamond. Does that mean that original diamonds were made by man? No. Man copied that which was already created!

Man shaped and faceted diamonds. Man shaped crops, into crop circles.

Alse some experts that deal in electromagnetic radiation claim that these circles have a change of voltage within the circles.

"Some experts" claim anything. If you were really an engineer, you would know that "a chage of voltage" is total nonsense i nthis connection.

You think all these people who present their evidence for crop circles have some screw loose or they are all lying?

That and a wish to pull people's legs.

I think they present quite the compelling case.

They don't. And neither do you.

And as I said...when I saw the perfection of these things, I can't fathom that anyone made these things, especially not in any short order.

Do any of you have the computer savvy to bring up and paste some of the more complex circles so we can all look at them?

I suggest you figure that out for yourself, Mr. Engineer .
(Hint, it's about three mouse-clicks)

Iamme, yesterday I saw a train, here in Copenhagen. It was decorated from one end to the other with colorful painings (you know the kind they call grafiti). The drawings were very complex, and seemed flawless, entirely complete, and they only park those trains for a few hours in the dead of the night in fenced-in areas, often patrolled by guards with dogs.

Must have been done by aliens, don't you think? Or Earth Gods. I can't imagine how some kids with spray-cans could have done it in a few hours, darkness, fences, guards, and all. No way, it must have been something else. Right?

Hans

 

[Nucular]

Doilies are the key to this mystery. Clearly crop circles are an increased magnitudinal cerealic representation of doilies.

It's obvious that the doilies themselves are alien artifacts, being clearly too complex and too numerous to have been created by human hand. Think of how many stitches are in a lace doilie - have you ever sewn on a button? I've spent half an hour before, just trying to get those seven or eight stitches right, and that's not to mention the several hours in the hospital having the button removed from my thigh before I try again. Now multiply that time by the tens of thousands of stitches that go into making a doilie! I think you see my point.

The fact that no-one, to my knowledge, has ever seen an unfinished doilie clearly demonstrates that they come into being fully-formed, probably emerging from the Seventh Dimension, I should think.

And finally, we have the correlations between the doiles themselves and the crop circle representations of them, as well as some of the symbolism, astrological, astronomical, mythological, scientific, which can be found in doilies. You're not going to tell me some crazy old lady could achieve that are you?

Here we have the famous Alien Sun Doilie, compared to its cropular analogue:

Alien Sun Doilie

Maizic Analogue

Note how the original symbolic sunlike edges of the Alien Sun Doilie, clearly representing Sirius C, is presented in the crop circle as a series of concentric sun patterns, showing that the beings who created the doilie were interdimensional creatures.

Next, see how the original Symbiosis Doilie which appeared in India in 1994 represents Charon passing before Pluto, and several years later was captured by beings who produced the larger cornular version:

Symbiosis Doilie

Wheatic Representation

Pluto and Charon

We're through the looking glass here, people...

 

[cyborg]

I am a person who is very much into design and enginering and I just don't see it happening.

It doesn't show.

 

[c4ts]

Doilies are clearly of alien origin. They serve no terrestrial purpose!

 

[steenkh]

I said it's not woo. It's science! "Paranormal" is too often held in the same regard as misconception, quakery, etc.

Why is it science? Is it also science to figure out how conjurors make their tricks?

It is no accident that "paranormal" is held in the the same regard as misconception and quackery.

Isn't it strange that when the craze for crop circles started in the 1970'ies, they were all simple circles. Over the years they have become more and more complex, just like when humans refine their methods with experience. When you think that crop circles are as old as Stonehenge, how come that the complex crop circles were unknown in the 1950'ies or earlier?

Did the aliens or the paranormal phenomena need media popularity before they started developing the complex crop circles?

 

[Spidey13]

Nucular, that was hilarious!

Anway, while we're on the subject, has anyone on here ever made a crop circle. I always thought it would be fun to do.

 

[ShowMe]

Rebecca, Nucular, C4ts, you've all stumbled upon the truth.

Not many have made the doily-alien connection. You must be stopped before you discover their alliance with the militray entertainment complex.

Be expecting an call from some men in black shortly. You'll notice the next crop circle is an encoded map to each of your houses.

You didn't hear this from me.

I was never here.

 

[c4ts]

Nucular, that was hilarious!

Anway, while we're on the subject, has anyone on here ever made a crop circle. I always thought it would be fun to do.

A lot of boring work pushing a board across a field in step with a bunch of friends. I did one which took all night and left me tired all day. The fun is in planning these things.

 

[jmercer]

We know for a fact that the complicated ones can be done by people.
We even know that fairly complex designs can be done overnight by just a few people.

I have noticed a common tendency. If the woo-woo can't figure out how to do something, no one else could either.

From faking bigfoot footprints, to crop circles, to faking UFO photos, to building pyramids, etc., the tendency is the same. I don't know how to do it, so no one else does either.

Great point, and well put.