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Creationist Ken Ham

Questioninggeller

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Questioninggeller said:
A clip many people might be interested in was posted by crooksandliars.com showing Ham speaking in front of kids for HBO's FRIENDS OF GOD tv show.
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I saw the full program earlier today on HBO and as I expected it was rather disturbing. Worst of all, though, were Ham's tactics -- they're not only designed to poison impressionable young minds with creationist propaganda, but also presented in such a way that the kids wish to gain acceptance by embracing it. It was utterly repulsive. Adults who willfully accept ridiculous statements like "Evolution is the idea some people have to explain life without God" of their own volition is one thing, and that degree of ignorance is already difficult enough to combat -- but employing the stick-and-carrot routine on children to spread Biblical literalism is just unconscionable.
 
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Is this available somewhere on HBO on Demand, or did it just air on the normal schedule?
 
Juustin said:
Is this available somewhere on HBO on Demand, or did it just air on the normal schedule?
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Yes, it is. I watched it on HBO On Demand last night. Should be under the specials > documentaries section, or whatever it's called.

Creepy stuff, really creepy. I especially detested the part where they're indoctrinating the children with various lies about the age of the Earth, evolution, dinosaurs, etc.

Cause there's no evidence for evolution at all... I mean, you wouldn't want your grandpa to be a monkey, would you? Haw haw haw.
 
Problem is, these same losers come crying to doctors to find cures for all the newly evolved strains of viral infections that crop up all the time. Why can't they just pray for a cure and have it Fed-Exed?
Oh yeah, right, 'coz God's too busy helping entertainers win awards. Nice that they always thank him, though.
 
desertyeti said:
Oh yeah, right, 'coz God's too busy helping entertainers win awards. Nice that they always thank him, though.
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I think it's reallygrest that god flies in on his magic carpet/cloud/whatever to be there with the "important people" and give them a chance to show the plebs how "humble" they are...;)
 
Absolutely.
How could anyone doubt the power of a being that creates all of everything, but still sees fit to rig sporting events and awards ceremonies for his peeps? Sure beats doing easy stuff like stopping genocides, wars, famines, extinctions, etc.
 
Right on! What's the fun of being all powerful if you can't make your team win and smite the other guy...hmmm...perhaps it's a good thing I'm not all poweful (yet;))
 
desertyeti said:
Problem is, these same losers come crying to doctors to find cures for all the newly evolved strains of viral infections that crop up all the time. Why can't they just pray for a cure and have it Fed-Exed?
Oh yeah, right, 'coz God's too busy helping entertainers win awards. Nice that they always thank him, though.
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What percentage of the religious population expect God to FedEx them a cure for a certain sickness?

I can understand the skeptical viewpoint towards religion, but come on.

I just wish people would quit categorizing religious people into the same boat. I express the same frustration as you most of the time, and probably shake my head and wonder what is wrong with people like Pat Robertson, and other fundamentalists more then most on here, but I also understand that not all religious people are so dead-set against science.

Nor do they take everything in the Bible literally. There IS such a thing as being skeptical AND being religious.
 
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Azure said:
What percentage of the religious population expect God to FedEx them a cure for a certain sickness?
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In the bible belt of the US, a large one. My mother-in-law gets a prayer list emailed to her weekly. One recent one was for somebody moving. One of the requests was to pray that everything would fit on one truck.

They have a fixed amount of crap, and the truck isn't going to change size, yet they ask for prayer to make it fit. These morons will pray for anything, and expect it to happen.
 
You're talking about something different.

If someone is religious, I would EXPECT them to pray. I'm talking about people who expect God to heal them, and avoid any medical help.

And the Bible belt is known for its fundamental approach to religion.
 
Azure said:
You're talking about something different.

If someone is religious, I would EXPECT them to pray. I'm talking about people who expect God to heal them, and avoid any medical help.
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Actually, I think that praying for the stuff you already have to fit into the truck you've already booked is less plausible than miraculous healing of many conditions.

It seems like people get unexpectedly healed far more often than 10 cubic meters of junk fit into a 9 cubic meter truck...
 
desertyeti said:
How could anyone doubt the power of a being that creates all of everything, but still sees fit to rig sporting events and awards ceremonies for his peeps? Sure beats doing easy stuff like stopping genocides, wars, famines, extinctions, etc.
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Notre Dame hasn't won a bowl game since 1994, going 0-8 in the post-season since then. Maybe he's just too ticked off to even care about the rest of the world after watching the last decade or so of Irish football.
 
well, i've met him. a couple of times.

in person, giving his speeches he is no better. certainly not more convincing. frankly, in the times i'd encountered him he was preaching to the converted - literally. so in those cases, there were no challenges to his statements. too bad. it was at some sort of religiously based home schooling event. yes, the worst of religion and the worst of education put together in a single venue. kind of creeped me out, but them's the breaks. ken ham's presentations were decently attended compared to the other speakers. he speaks with more conviction than facts. and he has some sort of bodyguard type guy with him, apparently he gets a lot of threats or something. i suppose it doesn't totally surprise me. anyhow, i think he is fundamentally lacking in facts and is a bad representation of religion, basically he is exactly the opposite of what i want to be.

disclaimer - i run sound for a living. sometimes i get to meet cool folks like david bowie. than there is ken ham on the other end of the spectrum.
 
gopi said:
Actually, I think that praying for the stuff you already have to fit into the truck you've already booked is less plausible than miraculous healing of many conditions.

It seems like people get unexpectedly healed far more often than 10 cubic meters of junk fit into a 9 cubic meter truck...
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Fair enough.

But expecting God(if you believe in one) to heal you without consulting medical advice is also stupid.
 
pounce said:
...and he has some sort of bodyguard type guy with him, apparently he gets a lot of threats or something...
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If he does get threats I can't picture any being of serious concern. I mean how often does a scientist blow up a want-to-be museum or when have you heard of a abortion doctor killing a Christian fundamentalist? The rational world doesn't operate with terrorism.

I think he's got illusions of grandeur, and claiming he recieves threats gives him a chance to claim he's being persecuted for his beliefs.

While foreign media and science critics have mostly come to snigger at exhibits explaining how baby dinosaurs fit on Noah's Ark and Cain married his sister to people the earth, museum spokesman and vice-president Mark Looy said the coverage has done nothing but drum up more interest.
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The museum has hired extra security and explosives-sniffing dogs to counter anonymous threats of damage to the building. "We've had some opposition," Looy said.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=2794652&page=3

Ham is cashing in on the fundamentalists. He left the Institute for Creation Research (ICR) to found his own group when the ICR has been around since the 1970s and has its own bullsh!t "museum" http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=discover&action=index&page=discover_museum
 
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