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Creation Museum seeks to expand, citing large crowds

Ugh. I was hoping for this debacle to quickly go bankrupt, but no such luck.
 
"The ministry had expected to get 250,000 visitors its entire first year."

The wahrheit had hoped they wouldn't have one visitor in 250,000 years.
 
Yeah big buildings by people (http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2007/08/03/creation-scientists-teachers-comment
) expressing their beliefs and not harming (if you think so, please contact the proper law enforcement agencies) anyone is a bad thing. Maybe just think of it as an audio-visual presentation of the Bible. And heck, I'm sure some of these visitors lining up are skeptics too, maybe even members of the organized skeptical movement.
 
Skepticism is not just endless complaining. :) Maybe the organized skeptical movement is, however.
 
T'ai Chi said:
Skepticism is not just endless complaining. :) Maybe the organized skeptical movement is, however.
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You don't get it, do you?

Who's the head of the skeptical movement? What's their agenda? Do they distribute pamphlets, or hold protests, or write to congress? Where would I go to attend a meeting?
 
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Cosmo said:
You don't get it, do you?

Who's the head of the skeptical movement? What's their agenda? Do they distribute pamphlets, or hold protests, or write to congress? Where would I go to attend a meeting?
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I don't know about the skeptical movement, but surely the Center for Inquiry and the JREF are major players that do have agendas, pamphlets, protests, letters to congress, and meetings?
 
TuftedPuffin said:
I don't know about the skeptical movement, but surely the Center for Inquiry and the JREF are major players that do have agendas, pamphlets, protests, letters to congress, and meetings?
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Sure, there's several skeptical organizations - just as there are wine, catholic, and frisbee organizations. My point is that T'ai's comments about "the organized skeptical movement" is utter foolishness.
 
Well, there is only one phony "museum" of its type for all the stupid people to go to. And, since America has lots of stupid people, they may need to expand several times.
 
T'ai Chi said:
Yeah big buildings by people (http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2007/08/03/creation-scientists-teachers-comment
) expressing their beliefs and not harming (if you think so, please contact the proper law enforcement agencies) anyone is a bad thing.
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That's a nice false dichotomy - either it's not harmful, or it's criminal. But I think you know that really this is neither.

Of course it's causing harm. It's lying to people, and presenting those lies as scientific information. It's spreading misinformation and ignorance. It's working actively to keep people dumb and possibly make them dumber. If you don't see that as harmful, I don't know what to tell you. And if you honestly think that everything that is harmful is criminal, I don't know what to tell you --- oh wait, yes I do: I tell you that not everything that is harmful is criminal.
Maybe just think of it as an audio-visual presentation of the Bible.
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I went to an Anishinaabe museum a couple weeks ago. There was an audio/visual presentation of the Anishinaabe creation myth. There was no attempt to present any of it as scientific fact. No evidence was attempted to be shown in support of it. No evidence was shown to detract from any other ideas of creation, either big bang, Genesis, or anything else. I didn't walk out with the sense that I was supposed to believe in the literal truth of the Anishinaabe creation myth. I don't know how many modern Anishinaabe believe in the literal truth of the Anishinaabe creation myth. I think a museum could do or be an A/V presentation of the Bible in a similar way, but I don't think the Creation Museum does.

(Interestingly, the Anishinaabe believe that all creation stories are true. I guess that would include the big bang and Genesis. I don't know how they work that out, but it sounds nice anyway!)
And heck, I'm sure some of these visitors lining up are skeptics too, maybe even members of the organized skeptical movement.
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Could be. I'd consider going.
 
All museums expand. It's what they do.
All museums have a collection policy.
None has a disposal policy.

I warned Hawking about this years ago. It can only end one way.
 
Must be some big money is it. Seriously I wish I thought of the idea. I wonder how many christians in Australia are creationist.
 
T'ai Chi said:
Yeah big buildings by people (http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2007/08/03/creation-scientists-teachers-comment
) expressing their beliefs and not harming (if you think so, please contact the proper law enforcement agencies) anyone is a bad thing. Maybe just think of it as an audio-visual presentation of the Bible. And heck, I'm sure some of these visitors lining up are skeptics too, maybe even members of the organized skeptical movement.
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An audio-visual presentation of the Bible wouldn't be a problem if it were clear up front what it was. The problem is that creationists have attempted to subvert scientific education with dogma that has no real evidence to back it up, nor any predictive power. Parents who believe in God and the Bible become convinced by things like the creation museums (yes, there actually are several) and the books that they publish. Especially the homeschooling parents, who depend on authority figures to give them trustworthy information. Having lived in West Tennessee, not far from this museum, I can tell you that the general population doesn't need much coaxing to be convinced that all scientists are evil people. I was practically dismissed from a church for simply talking about evolution as being true, and I know several scientists who were invited not to have leadership roles in churches because of this one issue.

I must say, however, that one of the geologists I know in Tennessee has planned to take a trip to the museum with a class to demonstrate the difference between science and pseudo-science.
 
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