Craig McKee steers AE911 towards the "No 757 crashed into Pentagon" corner

[Oystein]

For a long time, AE911Truth has "officially" been silent, or agnostic, about the Pentagon event. At some point, some years ago, Richard Gage apparently voiced criticism of no-planers, but was compelled to row back and adopt the "I don't look, I don't see, I don't want to know" position.

In the meantime, some of their past activists (e.g. David Chandler, Wayne Coste) have argued for the position that indeed a 757 crashed, while others, most notably Craig McKee, took the opposite position. McKee is an active force at AE911T, he is one of the most prolific contributors to their "News", and was co-author of technical brochures such as the "Beyond Misinfornation" garbage.


In a new development, McKee seems to gain the upper hand AND AE911Truth endorses him (tacitly so far):

Yesterday, a post on the AE911Truth Facebook site:
9/11 Free Fall Radio: Pentagon Debate

In this special episode of 9/11 Free Fall, host Andy Steele referees a debate between Truth and Shadows blogger Craig McKee and official-story supporter Colin Doran on the question of what happened at the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.
You can listen to this podcast directly and also download it (with a Soundcloud account) at the link below:
http://911freefall.com/911-free-fall-111617-pentagon-debate

I have no idea who Colin Doran is. I guess someone ill prepared, relatively new to the debates.

I have yet to listen to the debate - and probably won't -, and it will be interesting how Gage's Propaganda Minister, Andy Steele, moderated, and whether he took a stand.

The comments all seem to agree that McKee won the debate with the proposition "No 757".


And this now has encouraged McKee to create a new Facebook Group called "No 757 hit the Pentagon on 9/11".
First post:

TAKE A STAND, JOIN THE LIST!
I am compiling a list of truth activists who simply do not believe that a 757 hit the Pent...

It as 105 members after less than 24 hours - and who did McKee make an Admin: Kelly David, the Chief Operating Officer of AE911Truth! She has been a Board member since spring 2015.

Who else has signed up with McKee? Here are some names I recognize:

• Christopher Bollyn (professional anti-semite)
• Stuart Crosbie (just lost a debate with me on the 757 crash at Facebook, by banning me from a group )
• Marty Beck (AE)
• Manni Badillo (long time not seen!)
• Bev Collins (failed MP candidate in Canada a while ago)
• Adam Ruff (a friend of McKee at McKee's blog)
• Sheila Casey (activist close to McKee)
• Michael Atkinson (obsessive meme-poster on FB)
• Adam Syed
• Bjørn Aadnøy (AE petition signer)
• Sandra Jelmi (long-time AE volunteer)
• Michael Cook
• Mike Bondi (engineer, AE contributor and signer)

A few more names I have seen before but can't place ATM.

 

[DGM]

This makes perfect sense. No one is paying attention to them now so they have to diversify.

Since CIT dropped of the face of the Earth, they could bring back all their old stuff as new and bring in a new crop of rubes.

 

[Axxman300]

Wow...this will seriously undermine their credibility. (he said with tongue in cheek)

 

[fuelair]

Idiots will speak idiotically loose changers/republickers/fundie religionists and related just cannot get anything straight and true for some reason I will never fathom.

 

[JSanderO]

I suppose if no one rebutts their nonsense claims those claims will seem to have "standing"... and if they are rebutted by informed engineers and scientists... the rebuttal of their nonsense makes it seem that there is something of importance to disabuse the public about who may buy their snake oil. Of course they don't actually debate engineers and physicists... Nor will you see anyone but Tony or Gerry actually give it a try.

About a year or so ago a truther faculty member of NJIT managed to get a "debate" set up. But it was pathetic actually. One of the professors who seemed OK basically presented the NIST report.. which Tony then went on about how it was all rubbish. Prof didn't know Tony's history nor arguments and so it wasn't much of a debate... actually more of a get together for their followers and something to leverage in their marketing.

Marketing is what they do... selling themselves so they can sell themselves.

 

[ProBonoShill]

Would love to hear what AE 911's resident spokesman Tony Szamboti has to say about this considering his claims of being an engineer.

I mean an engineer believing in CD is ridiculous enough, but no planers are a special sort of stupid on an entirely different level.

 

[Childlike Empress]

For newbies who don't know why Oystein collects black lists of crime thinkers and what all of this is about, watch the argument here before you spend any time with the Xth-degree of meta "discussion" about it:

 

[benthamitemetric]

For newbies who don't know why Oystein collects black lists of crime thinkers and what all of this is about, watch the argument here before you spend any time with the Xth-degree of meta "discussion" about it:

How self-aggrandizing of you to think Oystein’s list are anything other than lists of fools and conmen. Methinks you’re still a little sore from the last time you were trying argue that no 575 hit the pentagon and it didn’t go so well for you here. No many people foolish enough to think that (let alone argue it), so I’m guessing there’s a high chance you made Oystein’s list.

 

[The Big Dog]

For newbies who don't know why Oystein collects black lists of crime thinkers and what all of this is about, watch the argument here before you spend any time with the Xth-degree of meta "discussion" about it:

Ce, how are shaky Craig and Aldo the buffet slayer anyway?

They kinda fell off the face of the earth after Craig and his girlfriend got a full expense paid trip to Paris.

 

[Childlike Empress]

How self-aggrandizing of you to think Oystein’s list are anything other than lists of fools and conmen. Methinks you’re still a little sore from the last time you were trying argue that no 575 hit the pentagon and it didn’t go so well for you here. No many people foolish enough to think that (let alone argue it), so I’m guessing there’s a high chance you made Oystein’s list.

I'm sure the last time I was "trying argue that no 575 hit the pentagon" you had a different user name. Care to come clean?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Ce, how are shaky Craig and Aldo the buffet slayer anyway?

They kinda fell off the face of the earth after Craig and his girlfriend got a full expense paid trip to Paris.

I have never had any personal contact to them and would of course not forward any private insights to you or your mom. Everything they established with their low-budget investigation has been said, as people can watch in the film I've posted in #7. Not their fault at all that these ground-shaking facts never made waves. The reasons for that are closely related to why you are arguing your head off against not exactly skeptical voices about Killary topics.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

For newbies who don't know why Oystein collects black lists of crime thinkers and what all of this is about, watch the argument here before you spend any time with the Xth-degree of meta "discussion" about it:

I am not willing to waste an hour and a half on yet another truther video.
Could you please summarise the evidence and arguments presented?
Thanks.

A quick Google of CIT reveals they have split the Truther "movement", between those who believe them and those who think their ideas are so ridiculous that they must be disinfo agents trying to discredit the movement.
What's your take, CE?
BTW, you still owe me an apology.

 

[Childlike Empress]

^ see this thread.

 

[sts60]

Are there still morons trying to claim no airliner hit the Pentagon?

I used to ride with firefighters who were there that day, pulling pieces of airliner - and airline passengers - out of the building. Anyone who makes this "no plane" claim is deranged, trolling (for attention and/or money), or just fantastically stupid.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

^ see this thread.

Thanks.
Page one, you post your support for CIT.
Page two, you get the spanking of your life.
Page three, the spanking continues unabated.
Page four, well, I felt sorry for you so I stopped reading.

Did you learn anything from this experience?

 

[Mark F]

I mean an engineer believing in CD is ridiculous enough, but no planers are a special sort of stupid on an entirely different level.

No doubt, but as the numbers of marginally reasonable people in what is left of the 9/11 Truth Movement continue to decline the pool that are left have increasing majorities of zealots and unreachables. These folks used to be on the fringes but are now taking over which is why you see (it seems to me anyway) much more talk among Truthers now about no planes, Jews and even Dr. Wood's space beams seem to be making a big comeback.

This is now the pool Gage has to fleece to stay in business so he has to pander to them.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Thanks.
Page one, you post your support for CIT.
Page two, you get the spanking of your life.
Page three, the spanking continues unabated.
Page four, well, I felt sorry for you so I stopped reading.

Did you learn anything from this experience?

You can't get around first understanding the argument before you understand the quality of counter-argument. First bunk, then debunk. If not, you tend to be impressed by loudmouthed idiots and, even worse, share that impression with the poor web which is full of it already.

As you had told me that you are unwilling to do your homework, I just should have told you to get lost instead of referring you to that thread. My fault. Sorry.

 

[benthamitemetric]

I'm sure the last time I was "trying argue that no 575 hit the pentagon" you had a different user name. Care to come clean?

Gosh, if only that very discussion were saved on some sort of publicly accessible internet forum that we could simply use software to browse and re-read!

 

[Pinch]

Yeah, I saw that post on the PfT Facebook page, which seems to be "The Go To Place" today for the mentally challenged since Capt' Bob's website is pretty much dead these days.

This whole "No Plane" deal has always fascinated me. Having worked in the Pentagon before and after the incident and having lost Navy shipmates and friends who were assigned to the Navy Command Center as well as being a Naval flight officer associated with aviation (both carrier-based and land-based) since the mid 1980s and having been a mile and a half away from the building (in Crystal City) on the day, there is no reason for any rational, sane, cogent, thinking, upright-walking, breathing sentient human being with two brain cells to rub together to doubt that a 757 traveling at the speed of a .45 caliber bullet slammed into the building.

Capt' Bobby's slack-jawed, vacant eyed followers and Craig and Alpo's intellectual midgets who follow them notwithstanding, the ComicCon of denial and ignorance continues unabated. Love it!

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Thanks.
Page one, you post your support for CIT.
Page two, you get the spanking of your life.
Page three, the spanking continues unabated.
Page four, well, I felt sorry for you so I stopped reading.

Did you learn anything from this experience?

You can't get around first understanding the argument before you understand the quality of counter-argument. First bunk, then debunk. If not, you tend to be impressed by loudmouthed idiots and, even worse, share that impression with the poor web which is full of it already.

As you had told me that you are unwilling to do your homework, I just should have told you to get lost instead of referring you to that thread. My fault. Sorry.

The quality of counter-argument was obviously too much for you, and you are clearly still hurting from the spanking you received on that thread, and are taking it out on me. Understandalble, if not excusable.

Were you portraying yourself as the loud-mouthed idiot? I see a lot of foolish assertions, delivered with a leavening of scorn and condescension for those who disagree with you. Don't be so hard on yourself. You aren't an idiot.

Please quote the post where I said I was unwilling to do my homework.