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Could something like the NWO actually take over the world?

kid meatball

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We have plenty of examples of empires forming all over the world. We also have many examples of those same empires failing, and not necessarily due to immediate resistance. I propose that the "resistance" is less successful using armed conflict and more about cultural identity.

In my paranoid years, I used to image what would happen if the US invaded Canada. We wouldn't be able to put up much resistance. In most areas, we probably wouldn't even notice. But I got to thinking (always a bad idea, but unavoidable) that once an invader took over, what would they do with the population? Is Vichy France a good example? Sure, an invader can install a government and change all the rules, but would be foolish to just eradicate the citizenry. That would cause an international uproar, destroy the productivity of the region, and fuel an armed uprising. No, I think they'd have to employ the population. To me, it would make more sense to just trade with the country, rather than go through all the effort to invade.

I don't know, I just can't see something like the NWO being anything other than a different version of the UN or the EU, more a political or economic organization.
 
kid meatball said:
We have plenty of examples of empires forming all over the world. We also have many examples of those same empires failing, and not necessarily due to immediate resistance. I propose that the "resistance" is less successful using armed conflict and more about cultural identity.

In my paranoid years, I used to image what would happen if the US invaded Canada. We wouldn't be able to put up much resistance. In most areas, we probably wouldn't even notice. But I got to thinking (always a bad idea, but unavoidable) that once an invader took over, what would they do with the population? Is Vichy France a good example? Sure, an invader can install a government and change all the rules, but would be foolish to just eradicate the citizenry. That would cause an international uproar, destroy the productivity of the region, and fuel an armed uprising. No, I think they'd have to employ the population. To me, it would make more sense to just trade with the country, rather than go through all the effort to invade.

I don't know, I just can't see something like the NWO being anything other than a different version of the UN or the EU, more a political or economic organization.
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First off, the NWO would have to gain control of the nuclear forces of China, Russia, and the US, and possibly others such as France and Israel. To my mind that is close to impossible (well, they could get Russia).
 
If there are more than two people involved humanity can't even agree on what to have for lunch.

The logistics of secretly running the planet would be impossible to agree upon with the number of people required for such a thing.
 
kid meatball said:
I don't know, I just can't see something like the NWO being anything other than a different version of the UN or the EU, more a political or economic organization.
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Well, there are some out there who do identify the UN/EU as part of the NWO, so there you go.


Of course, the UN and EU are public institutions, that make no secret of their intentions, and are clearly restrained by the interests of their publicly-acknowledged members, as opposed to the hypothesised "NWO", which acts entirely in secret, and generally in opposition to the best interests of the nations that we generally recognize as being the real powers in the world.

Which highlights the problems with trying to create the NWO as the CTers believe it exists. From where would the NWO derive its power?

For the NWO to exist, we'd have to have some sort of two-tiered power structure: the overt power structure we see all around us (such as nation states with standing armies), and a second, covert power structure, that somehow rules over all the overt powers, bending them to its will.

Where the overt power structure gets its power is pretty obvious. What makes President Obama "The most powerful man in the world", as opposed to say, you or I being "Some schmuck on the internet" is that Obama commands the loyalty of millions of people, including hundreds of thousands of military personnel. That is loyalty given up freely by each individual, for whatever reason they decided was good enough.

Now, where does the covert power structure get its power? Clearly it can't derive from the wilful loyalty of the people, as it is with Obama, because none of us know who the NWO is, or that they even exist. The only way they could have influence over those multitudes is if they have influence over Obama, and use his overt power to carry out their covert intentions (which is of course what the CTists claim happens).

But how, exactly, does that work? If I were to show up at a military base, and say, "I'm Obama's Secret Boss, and would you so kindly invade Elbonia for me?", I'd be tossed in the loony bin. So, I have to pass my orders through Obama, right? Well, why would he want to follow my orders, either? Once he has the loyalty of armed men, what's to stop him from just ignoring the NWO, or even actively campaigning against them? Even if the NWO had blackmail material on him, that could be dismissed as propaganda created by The Enemy to discredit him.

The subtle power of blackmail would quite quickly evaporate under the brute power of military might. And by its nature, the NWO cannot have a large standing military force to counter such power. If it did, it wouldn't be the covert NWO of legend, it would be just another nation state, of which we'd all be aware.

So, in the real world, a covert NWO simply couldn't exist, as any time the overt leader of a large nation state decided to break ranks, they'd be powerless to stop him.

Which is what leads so many CTists into "mystical" topics like the Illuminati, or Satanists; it answers the question of how the NWO maintains its power: They use magic! I'll leave it as an exercise for the student to explain why that's not really a tenable solution, either :)
 
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I think the idea is that the NWO would conquer the world through financial and social means, not military ones.
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Yeah, that's sort of what I was getting at. In a sense, my point was, why be afraid of some kind of NWO conquering force? In the end they need people or their power is pointless. I think it is impossible to rule the world by military force. It might even be impossible to rule a continent by military force. It seems, by the EU example, it is proving difficult to rule a continent by even economic force.

People have a tendency, despite our social needs, to separate ourselves into smaller groups. So even if an NWO type structure could create some sort of culture that everyone could be a part of, it would breakdown eventually. Quickly, I would think. It's could be a case of tribalism or nationalism wins out over globalism.
 
Belz... said:
I think the idea is that the NWO would conquer the world through financial and social means, not military ones.
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Gold is for the mistress — silver for the maid —
Copper for the craftsman cunning at his trade.
"Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall,
"But Iron — Cold Iron — is master of them all."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_Iron_(poem)


Those "financial and social means" work perfectly well, until a large group of armed men decide to nationalize the **** out of your company and assets, at which point, you have no more power than any other pauper.
 
Before the NWO take over the world, they will have to usurp the OWO. It's entirely possible, and I think we should all be jolly afraid:boxedin:
 
Alareth said:
If there are more than two people involved humanity can't even agree on what to have for lunch.

The logistics of secretly running the planet would be impossible to agree upon with the number of people required for such a thing.
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I was going to make this exact point, using the example of people deciding what goes on a pizza. 1 person? Easy. 2 people? Okay, just split the pie. 3 people? Someone might have to compromise. I have 5 people in my family, and sometimes the only way to make everyone happy is to order 2 different pizzas, or I just put my foot down and order a plain pepperoni pizza which pisses off everyone equally, even me.

But a thousand people? Sitting around a table and deciding on One Big Plan to rule the world? No way. Assuming there are Evil Overlords conspiring to rule the world, the CT NWO idea is the least likely, least workable and least feasible way to do it.

Rather than a thousand people sitting around a table playing a game of poker (one big conspiracy) with the planet's resources I envision a thousand people sitting around a table, some playing poker, some playing chess, some flirting, some fighting, some peeking over the shoulders of others to see what cards are in their hands, others are trying to get partners organized for a game of pinochle. There may be a thousand players, but among them are probably 2 thousand different conspiracies and plans in competition.

In other words, politics as usual.
 
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Here is my biggest issue with conspiracy theories:

If there was a secret society ruled by the global elite, since they are all power hungry, evil monsters, wouldn't they be too busy trying to grab power from each other to take over?

I mean, the US President can't do anything without there being leaks in his administration much less try and take over the globe.
 
kid meatball said:
could something like the nwo actually take over the world?
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Lenbrazil said:
wHAT sTUPID qUESTON!!!!

wAKE uP: sHEEPLE!

tHE nWO, aLREDY kOMPLETELY kONTROLS; tHE pLANT eARTH aND tHAY nEVER cEESE tHERE eFORTS tOO iNCREESE tHAT kONTROL.
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I have been instructed to say that this accusation is completely unfounded and untrue. We are just a loose collective of like-minded people who, if you really got to know us, are fun, carefree and love little furry animals. World domination is just a harmless hobby.
 
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