Could somebody explain to me....

[Cleopatra]

which is the difference between the terrorists of Hamas and the Chechen terrorists?

And if there is no difference why EU said that although it's sorry for the tragic events in Russia it supports president Putin while it shows its disgust when IDF brings down an empty house in the OT?

Thank you in advance.

 

[Grammatron]

Aside from the obvious answer of this being a simple -- and by simple I mean overly complex -- game of politics I think you are ignoring the "misses" and counting the "hits." If you look at the quotes by Foreign leaders and such -- which unfortunately I can not find at the moment but I will post them if I do -- you will see they were carefully crafted diplomatic responses that condemned the terror but asked for a diplomatic end to the problems in Chechnya and not War. EU is quick to condemn acts of terror, which is very simple to do but they are not so quick to point fingers or offer solutions.

They are hoping to stay on the win-win side of the situation, let's hope this isn't ultimately a losing decision.

 

[Cleopatra]

Fair points. What is important though is to notice what is the message that is passed to the public opinion. In the case of the Chechen terrorists, EU shows some flexibility, it recognizes that the problem demands political solutions and shows understanding to the numerous victims of terrorism. When it comes to Israel EU demonstrates a totally different stance.

Same problem. Two liberating movements resort to terrorism to push for solution but the bias against Israel is so gross that nobody in Europe shows any compasion to the victims of terrorism.

This is the reason why Europe won't manage to take a leading role in the politics of the continent. Europeans are blinded by their antisemitic feelings. Those who allow passions to blind their judgement are condemned to be followers and not leaders.

 

[DanishDynamite]

Stop trolling, Cleo dear.

 

[Cleopatra]

I suggest you go and take care of your new love DD ....

Seriously now, although my wording might appear harsh or trollish you can bring me to the right path by explaining to me which is the difference between Hamas and the Chechen terrorists.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Well, they are the European Union. It would look funny if they devoted less attention to Russia than to Israel.

And perhaps they are simply tired of the Israel/Palestine conflict. It's been going on for so long with no solution in sight. Is there anything to suggest it'll peter out within the next hundred years? The century after that? Perhaps they've just gotten used to it, and given up. Getting numb.

 

[Cleon]

I suggest you go and take care of your new love DD ....

Seriously now, although my wording might appear harsh or trollish you can bring me to the right path by explaining to me which is the difference between Hamas and the Chechen terrorists.

Well, I could. I could give a fairly decent description of the differences of origin, tactics, and composition of the two groups. But then I would be labeled as someone who "justifies terrorism" and flamed by people who want to make sure that the Party line of "no understanding, no differentiation, just condemnation" is followed. So I'll just shut up.

 

[Cleopatra]

Well, they are the European Union. It would look funny if they devoted less attention to Russia than to Israel.

And perhaps they are simply tired of the Israel/Palestine conflict. It's been going on for so long with no solution in sight. Is there anything to suggest it'll peter out within the next hundred years? The century after that? Perhaps they've just gotten used to it, and given up. Getting numb.

Oh they are? Well in Greek the Union is a female noun used in singular, thanks for pointing that out though.

EU cannot be tired of the ME conflict, it has a crucial and balanced role to play. EU's standards regarding human rights are more refined than the american ones and Israel cares a lot about what EU thinks regardless of what Sharon says. Note, that european Jews have demonstrated a lot of skepticism towards Likud's policy regarding the settlers and the occupation. Also the problem is that they do not show indifference. They keep condemning Israel for whatever action Israel takes and what bothers me most is the way the form the european general public in Europe.

 

[DanishDynamite]

I suggest you go and take care of your new love DD ....

bug_girl means nothing to me, I swear!

Seriously now, although my wording might appear harsh or trollish you can bring me to the right path by explaining to me which is the difference between Hamas and the Chechen terrorists.

I would need to read up on the history of the Chechen conflict. Meanwhile, perhaps you could substantiate some of your allegations such as "Europeans are blinded by their antisemitic feelings".

 

[TragicMonkey]

Well, at least Israel has a lot of support here in the US. Of course, much of it is merely because Israel has to exist in order for the Antichrist to destroy it and usher in the End Times....but support is support, right?

 

[DanishDynamite]

BTW, it seems to me that the EU is not handling the Israel/Palestine conflict and the Russia/Chechnya conflict in very different ways. It seems they advocate for a political settlement in both cases. In fact, in seems that Putin recently "blasted" the EU for advocating this viewpoint.

 

[BPSCG]

Well, at least Israel has a lot of support here in the US. Of course, much of it is merely because Israel has to exist in order for the Antichrist to destroy it and usher in the End Times....but support is support, right?

Oh. And here I was laboring under the misconception that it was because Israel, as a liberal democracy, shares many of the same values as the U.S., while the other middle east countries, being tyrannies,* share very few of them.

*Turkey excepted.

 

[JAR]

which is the difference between the terrorists of Hamas and the Chechen terrorists?

There are significant differences between the terrorists of Hamas and the Chechen terrorists.

This site: http://www.terrorismanswers.com/groups/hamas.html says that the terrorists of Hamas' 'founding charter pledges the group to carry out armed struggle, try to destroy Israel and replace Arafat’s government with an Islamist state on the West Bank and Gaza, and raise “the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine."'

According to this site: http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/may03/russia.asp the Chechen terrorist demands are an end to the war in Chechnya, the withdrawal of Russian forces in Chechnya, and Chechen independence from Russia.

So the Hamas terrorists are terrorizing in order to destroy Israel while the Chechen terrorists want Chechnya to be independent from Russia. I think that both groups have immoral demands, but I think that the Chechen terrorists' demands are less immoral than the Hamas ones are.

 

[materia3]

There are plenty of differences between all the Islamic fundamentalist terrorist groups, their targets and their motives.

However, today one thing bonds them all together in a loose network that is maintained by financial support from alQueda through tapping of its lucrative franchise in the Afghani opium trade.

Thus a Palestinian suicide bomber or a resort bomber in Bali or a Chechyan terrorist school takeover all receive funding which filters down to them from AlQueda and its reliance on heroin smuggling.

Bush was told this time and time again but he refuses to do anything about eradicating the opium trade in southern Afghanistan. He is no better than the drug dealers he protects.

Kerry, short on things to criticize Bush on, doesn't go there for the same reasons: the solution is too simple and not very expensive.

Ironically the safest place for the much sought after bin Leden and company is to hang out is among those very drug farmers
and war loads with whom they are in financial partnership. After all, as far the U.S. military is concerned its hands-off that area.
Can I have my $50 million reward money now?