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Conspiracy theories=religion?

clarsct

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I am not positive I have not posted this before, but it occured to me again the other day while exposing a friend to Penn and Teller, season 3.

Isn't there some striking similarities between conspiracy theories and religons? I am convinced they spawn from the same primordial drive to try to make sense of the world.

The first religions were just that: A way to make sense of seemingly unconnected events. Someone wears a pink feather in their headress: The crops fail. Pink feathers are suddenly taboo. Why? Well, you see, this god, soandso.....
or
I took the mystical potion and great god soandso said the pink feathered birds....


There's any number of conversations that can happen there.


But the point is, there was NO connection between the headress and the crops. It was just a coincidence. But we, as human beings, do not like to be subject to such. We're clever, we can plan ahead and forsee consequences. For the main part, we do not roll dice, we buy insurance policies.

We also think very highly of ourselves. Why? because no other species comes close to being able to compete with us. We have out-competed just about every other mammalian species on the planet(We'll set aside cockroaches and such for now..only the intelligent or cute animals matter to us, really). We have been blessed/cursed with consciousness. We can question ourselves, forsee results, and decision make like no other species due to this. But, we are also self aware, and aware that we die. How do we resolve the paradox that we are unique, yet not?

We make stuff up!

We really do, we make stuff up out of whole cloth. Afterlives, gods, goddesses, demon, devils and unicorns! And always, our role in things is exaggerated.

But the point is, that everything has a reason. This life is merely a test for the next one. Things happen because Godidit.

As science has progressed, we have limited the margins that God hides in to an astounding degree. As our education increases, we are less and less satisfied with 'Godidit'.

But we miss it. It was a good high. You could leave your responsibilites for what happens in the world in the hands of the Almighty Sky Daddy/Nanny/Mommy/Nursemaid.


Even BAD things had a place in the world. Satan, Set, Loki, Aries, Hades, Hel, Czernobog.

People WORSHIPPED these gods, they prayed to them in order to placate them. If you do a certain ritual, then the meany bad things can't hurt you.

Gods, in all reality, were the simple personification of luck.

In the modern age, people mouth the old words, but we really do know deep down what brings us good things. Technology and science. We drive cars, we have the Interwebby thing that Al Gore created. In First World countries, where these theories abound, we generally have grocery stores where we can actually pick and choose between piles of food to get the ones we really want. How cool is that? That's awesome.

Whence, then, do bad things come from? Well, technology, used incorrectly, can be bad, certainly. But overall, it is a net benefit. And we know this, however hippie some of us like to preach. And the bad effects of technology, once identified, can be guarded against. There's nothing to fear, really. After all, we're smart creatures, and we can figure it out.

But, this robs us of a security blanket. If we can fix the bad stuff, but bad stuff still happens, why, what then?

Evil people must have intervened. Y'know. THEM. They want to control the world. They want wealth and power. Horrible things may happen, but it is because THEY wanted/needed it to. There's a 'higher plan' in the works. WE aren't responsible for the evil...THEY are. And the vaguer the THEY, the better.

Have you ever read anything about the 'Rape Fantasy' in women? It isn't that these women wish to be raped, it is that they need to be out of control so they have an excuse to do what the really want to. "I couldn't help it, he was in total control of me." It's why most bottoms are male. If they are tied up, then they are out of control of the situation.

It's the abdication of responsibility, the ultimate high. We cannot control what is happening, THEY are in control. Or, for those who really are control freaks, "Quick, put on this tin foil beanie, it protects you against .......THEM!" Suddenly we have a new ritual. We have support groups, and UFO conventions.


It's that old time religion, revamped for a new age.

I think so, anyway. Any thoughts?
 
I would agree to a large extent...

Twoofery does have religious overtones, and there are immense similarities between their behavior and those of fundamentalist religions, complete with banning the apostates (bannings from LC), denouncing people as witches ("government shills"), valuing faith and belief over reason and provable evidence, religious rituals, and the divine and unreachable power behind it all, which plans and does everything perfectly. In religion, it's God. To the Twoofers, it's the "New World Order."

It's interesting to see this stuff. My mother said that the Communist Party and the Catholic Church had identical organizations, down to the infallible leader, but I don't know enough about either subject to agree or disagree with her.
 
Interesting thoughts.

I'd like to add one thought that I always have when going through one of the CT threads, especially the opening posts, or when reading their web pages.

It seems to be like a hobby for them, making "interesting" stuff up, inventing stories, kids with too much time on their hands, bored with the real world, fantasizing about a more interesting place with secrets, supressed witnesses, bla bla. Well, basically, what stories are made of.

The "fundamentalism" of some of those CT guys shows when they defend their theory so feverishly and with so much ignorance about obivous facts. And that, of course, reminds of religious fundamentalists.
 
Clapton is God

One conspiracy guy told me Alex Jones was God. Obviously too young to know Clapton is God.
 
One conspiracy guy told me Alex Jones was God. Obviously too young to know Clapton is God.
Splitter!

There is no (Guitar) God but Billy Gibbons, and Jimi Hendrix was his prophet. ZZ Top is the embodiment of the Holy Texas Blues Trinity, three within one grand, glorious musical genius.

A how how how to the highest!

Trivia note: Jimi Hendrix once observed that Billy Gibbons was the best blues guitarist he'd ever heard.

Clapton was at best a Prophet. He was a Blues Breaker, not a Blues Creator, eh? :)

(But I might be mistaken
A how how how!)


DR
 
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This doesn't surprise me. The infowars and LC people sell their "souvenirs" at exorbitant prices claiming that the purchasers will "see the truth", and that they will be saved, similar to major religions. What happens to the money? Well, we saw the video for the promotion of LC:FC with the ATVs and such!
 
I stand corrected.

Now that I think about it...if Clapton is God, what would that make Hendrix?
Dead of a drug overdose! :eek:

Anyway, on to the real comparison:

If Clapton is God, what would that make Hendrix?
A Muse?

God's cousin?

His own category of being?

I'll vote "yes" for Door Number 3. :)

RIP, Jimi.

DR
 
Well if you're gonna start talking about baseball, we might as well get back on topic...

The conspiracy folks often speak of themselves as "enlightened." They ask one another when they "woke up." So there is definitely something to the religious angle.

Actually, I never found myself thinking Clapton was God. I was just repeating the official story.
 
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The conspiracy folks often speak of themselves as "enlightened." They ask one another when they "woke up." So there is definitely something to the religious angle.
Maybe we see evidence that they always slept in class.

DR
 
I've noticed that their arguments seem to run in the same circles, which is why I rarely post in this sub forum. My blood pressure is plenty high all on its own.

I realize that part of the reason we do this is for those people reading out there who are on the fence, but doesn't it get frustrating trying to argue with someone who has three inch thick diamondplate steel for a skull?

Like arguing with a fundie.
 
I've noticed that their arguments seem to run in the same circles, which is why I rarely post in this sub forum. My blood pressure is plenty high all on its own.

I realize that part of the reason we do this is for those people reading out there who are on the fence, but doesn't it get frustrating trying to argue with someone who has three inch thick diamondplate steel for a skull?

Like arguing with a fundie.



Oh I don't know... I find it kind of entertaining...

Like watching them trying to explain a demolition of WTC7 that doesn't implicate the FDNY.

-Gumboot
 
It's a religion of prophets for profits. Idle idols and lots of flocking sheep.

They have communion kool-aid and thermite wafers.

Their God is invisible and works in mysterious ways His demolitions to perform.

The Evangelists of this religion capitalise on Truth.

They are waiting for their Messiah who will bring not the sword, but the smoking gun.

Their Truth is multifaceted. It contradicts itself and yet remains true.

They believe because they believe and no one can falsify them.
 
I think the question of dishonesty is an interesting one in both religion and conspiracy theories. There are obviously many untrue statements coming out of both groups, but I think it is rarely a case of "I am going to purposefully lie in order to try and help my cause". Instead, I think these people believe in their cause so fully that they become blind to the blatant falsehood of their statements.

I am debating a guy from the DC 9/11 Truth Movement on this cable access show in VA in May, and I've been doing a little research to prepare. In the "evidence" section of their website, the first item is a quote from an article by Seymour Hersh:

"A former high-level intelligence official told me, 'Whatever trail was left was left deliberately—for the F.B.I. to chase.' "
—Seymour Hersh, New Yorker 10/8/01
ww.newyorker.com/fact/content/?011008fa_FACT

The problem with this quote is that if you follow the link and look at the paragraph that precedes it, it is all about various things that the hijackers left behind to try and throw off the FBI, not about some government conspirators trying to thwart an investigation.

So even though the quote was taken completely out of context and given a totally different meaning, I don't think whoever picked it out did so intentionally. Rather, I think he wants to believe in a conspiracy so badly that he looked at that quote and saw something completely different from 99.9% of the people who read it.

I think the same thing is going on when people misrepresent evolution by saying "I've never seen a frog give birth to a goat", etc.
 
So even though the quote was taken completely out of context and given a totally different meaning, I don't think whoever picked it out did so intentionally. Rather, I think he wants to believe in a conspiracy so badly that he looked at that quote and saw something completely different from 99.9% of the people who read it.

I think the same thing is going on when people misrepresent evolution by saying "I've never seen a frog give birth to a goat", etc.



I think it's partly seeing what they want to see...

But is it just me, or do members of the Truth Movement have absolutely appalling reading comprehension skills? I blame the schools!

-Gumboot
 
Yes, but...

Roger may be good, but he can't hold Nolan Ryan's jock.

Nolan Ryan: Seven No Hitters.

QED

DR

Roger Clemens...seven Cy Young Awards. Case closed. :D

Besides, I'm a fan of his for what he taught me about writing, as well.
 

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