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Consciousness & Water

Yep.





Natasha Demkina. Depends on who you ask.

She got better than chance at the demo, which her followers say should have been enough for skeptics (was it p=.02?).

Skeptics say that she didn't do better than chance enough (looking for p<=.01).

I'm not familiar with the case, but I'd say that's good enough to warrant repeating the test. I assume the skeptics refused to run another one? ;)
 
"Writer, researcher and philosopher Stephan A. Schwartz discussed his latest work showing how consciousness affects the structure of water. "

OK.

One more BS waste of electron.
 
I'm not familiar with the case, but I'd say that's good enough to warrant repeating the test. I assume the skeptics refused to run another one? ;)

Thcaaa!

For those not familiar: Demkina and her handlers have ignored invitations to follow-up testing, and has not applied for the MDC. They continue to charge a fortune her medical scanning services in Russia.

See: Skeptical Inquirer / [Natasha Demkina: The Girl with Normal Eyes]
 
Shoveling water up hill...

The ignorance and falsehoods spread to defend Natasha Demkina is never ending.

I know I'm just "shoveling water up hill," but here are some key facts:

- Natasha's mother stated on camera that Natasha's readings have been 100 percent correct. We did not require anywhere near that level of performance.

- Natasha, her mother, and her agent agreed that this was a preliminary test to see if her claims warranted a better-controlled study and they agreed that there would be no further test of her claims if she failed to match at least 5 of the target conditions to the correct subjects.

- Natasha failed to match at least 5 of the target conditions to the correct subject and therefore, as all parties had agreed prior to the test, no further testing was considered warranted.

- Natasha's task during the test was MUCH easier than the "readings" she normally gives. She didn't have to scan every subject's entire body looking for unknown abnormalities. Instead, she was given a list of 6 different abnormalities (such as an artificial hip, a removed appendix, and coronary bypass graphs) and was told exactly where to look for those abnormalities. Incredibly, she took more than 4 hours to look for these 6 well-defined abnormalities in the seven subjects. (She normally does a entire body "exam" looking for here-to-fore unknown abnormalities in just a few minutes!)

- The odds of correctly matching 4 of the 7 subjects was approximately 1 in 50 -- BUT that is ONLY the odds of someone BLINDLY GUESSING. Natasha was NOT blindly guessing. She refused to submit to a blinded test! So she was able to study the 7 subjects for more than FOUR HOURS, looking for a host of clues to help her make her matches.

- In spite of all that, she failed abysmally in matching the correct subject who was missing a large section of skull covered by a metal plate just beneath his scalp (which could be seen with normal eyes!). And if that's not failure enough, she claimed to see the missing bone and metal plate in the head of a perfectly normal subject.

In her "defense," she said she should have looked more carefully -- as if 4 hours of studying those 7 heads wasn't enough time. And her defense for not being able to find either of the two subjects who had their appendixes removed is that appendixes can grow back following an appendectomy! When I told her that no, appendixes can NOT grow back, she insisted that they do in Russia.

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/natasha_demkina_the_girl_with_normal_eyes/

Trying to deal with such ignorance and deceit is actually more like shoveling sewage up hill.
 
askolnick beat me to it, but Demkina's test was a failure, despite Rodney's claims to the contrary.

Demkina & Crew: We always perform at X level of accuracy

CSICOP: That's too stringent. We'll only require <X

Result: <<X

Believers: It was still greater than chance!

CSICOP: Chance was not the baseline since Demkina could study the targets

Believers: Skeptics are mean!


And the idea of the skeptics refusing to do another one is ludicrous (Mirrorglass, I think you were joking when you posted that, but it's the sort of thing that believers toss around a lot). Demkina is quite capable of arranging their own clear tests but have failed to do so.
 
askolnick beat me to it, but Demkina's test was a failure, despite Rodney's claims to the contrary.

Demkina & Crew: We always perform at X level of accuracy

CSICOP: That's too stringent. We'll only require <X

Result: <<X

Believers: It was still greater than chance!

CSICOP: Chance was not the baseline since Demkina could study the targets

Believers: Skeptics are mean!


And the idea of the skeptics refusing to do another one is ludicrous (Mirrorglass, I think you were joking when you posted that, but it's the sort of thing that believers toss around a lot). Demkina is quite capable of arranging their own clear tests but have failed to do so.

Yes, I was being sarcastic. I was afraid it might not be obvious, but I hoped the emoticon would help.
 
Ahhh, research conducted by Cognitive Sciences Laboratory, how official does that sound? Their motto: "Research for the future" and they claim to be a government sponsored parapsychology group. Sounds nice and all, however the first thing you will find on their homepage is:

"We invite you to volunteer to participate in an exciting experiment to explore how your nervous system can automatically predict the future. If you would like to learn more, please click here."

Wow!
 

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