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Confused by an alleged EVP

Sati1984

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(Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I couldn't find this case mentioned anywhere on JREF by searching...)

I opened this Reddit thread recently about mysteries, and got quite a lot replies that were about mysteries I didn't know about before.

One of them was "the best damn EVP ever". This is an alleged recording of the voice of a Truck Company owner who (of course) died earlier. Read the description on this page, if you want to know more.

For a TL;DR version (sorry, too much Reddit :D ), read this:

The Trucking Companies owner died at his business of a heart attack, he had one pet peeve, that was people who smoke cigarettes, well, the scent of cigarettes sometime form in this one room, the building is totally smoke free and is far away from outside smoking areas.
The owner took pride in his business, and was rumored to be a workaholic; he lived, loved & died at his business.


(...)

On the clip, you will hear them comment about cigarette smoke, and then you will hear a LOUD Class A EVP state in a deep Male Voice "God Dammed Cigarette smoken(ers)”

I played the clip longer so you could hear Tammy’s voice, they actually are getting a hint of (smell) cigarette smoke, and then it goes away.
The sad thing is, he hated cigarettes so bad that that has become his trademark scent in death.
Take a listen, to this great EVP; no other EVPs were obtained at this location during this trip.


It's a bit annoying, that the actual recording is a wav file you have to download and then listen, no streaming available, but this is an old website, so I cut them some slack. Link to the recording.

OK, so here is my confusion: discounting the myriad ways this could have been faked and accepting that this is a voice beyond the grave... I fail to see the logic behind this.

This ghost hated the smell of cigarettes, so he created it paranormally for himself to react on? This seems a bit self-contained... Does he do this even if there are no paranormal researchers/voice recording devices around? Why does cigarette smoke bother him after his death in the first place?

Questions, questions, questions... What is the rationale behind these "a defining characteristic of a person survives even after the grave" stories? Granted, I don't know anything about the afterlife, but it's really likely I won't get annoyed about such things after I'm dead.

(Also, a note about this EVP-investigation site: they list many more "class A EVP-s", but they only have a story behind this cigarette one. I understand the fact, that this is the best, but I'd really like to have some background info on the rest...)
 
This is a recording. How anyone can objectively discuss it's veracity as a recording of a voice from beyond the grave is beyond me.

The whole thing is pointless, logic doesn't even apply.

Please state your stance. Do you believe it is what it claims to be?

Do you believe in the afterlife?

And finally, there is no logic behind this random recording.
 
(Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I couldn't find this case mentioned anywhere on JREF by searching...)

I opened this Reddit thread recently about mysteries, and got quite a lot replies that were about mysteries I didn't know about before.

One of them was "the best damn EVP ever". This is an alleged recording of the voice of a Truck Company owner who (of course) died earlier. Read the description on this page, if you want to know more.

For a TL;DR version (sorry, too much Reddit :D ), read this:

The Trucking Companies owner died at his business of a heart attack, he had one pet peeve, that was people who smoke cigarettes, well, the scent of cigarettes sometime form in this one room, the building is totally smoke free and is far away from outside smoking areas.
The owner took pride in his business, and was rumored to be a workaholic; he lived, loved & died at his business.


(...)

On the clip, you will hear them comment about cigarette smoke, and then you will hear a LOUD Class A EVP state in a deep Male Voice "God Dammed Cigarette smoken(ers)”

I played the clip longer so you could hear Tammy’s voice, they actually are getting a hint of (smell) cigarette smoke, and then it goes away.
The sad thing is, he hated cigarettes so bad that that has become his trademark scent in death.
Take a listen, to this great EVP; no other EVPs were obtained at this location during this trip.


It's a bit annoying, that the actual recording is a wav file you have to download and then listen, no streaming available, but this is an old website, so I cut them some slack. Link to the recording.

OK, so here is my confusion: discounting the myriad ways this could have been faked and accepting that this is a voice beyond the grave... I fail to see the logic behind this.

This ghost hated the smell of cigarettes, so he created it paranormally for himself to react on? This seems a bit self-contained... Does he do this even if there are no paranormal researchers/voice recording devices around? Why does cigarette smoke bother him after his death in the first place?

Questions, questions, questions... What is the rationale behind these "a defining characteristic of a person survives even after the grave" stories? Granted, I don't know anything about the afterlife, but it's really likely I won't get annoyed about such things after I'm dead.

(Also, a note about this EVP-investigation site: they list many more "class A EVP-s", but they only have a story behind this cigarette one. I understand the fact, that this is the best, but I'd really like to have some background info on the rest...)

What are you confused about?
 
About the fact that even if I accept this as an actual "ghost voice" recording, the story behind it does not make logical sense.

Do you really expect it to? It's a story based on a premise that doesn't make sense. Why should the story itself be any better?

On the other hand, it's always possible that hanging around in the afterlife drives you mad...
 
This ghost hated the smell of cigarettes, so he created it paranormally for himself to react on? This seems a bit self-contained... Does he do this even if there are no paranormal researchers/voice recording devices around? Why does cigarette smoke bother him after his death in the first place?

Questions, questions, questions... What is the rationale behind these "a defining characteristic of a person survives even after the grave" stories? Granted, I don't know anything about the afterlife, but it's really likely I won't get annoyed about such things after I'm dead.


There IS a logic, and there IS a rationale.

The logic is that we've all known people in life who are completely, powerfully, obsessive about something--horses, wine, clothing, stamp collecting, Star Wars--so when that person dies, it's logical to us that their obsession would be so powerful that it would literally reach beyond the grave. And so we imagine that we hear or see them in this life, still continuing to obsess about horses, wine, clothing, stamp collecting, or Star Wars.

The rationale behind ghost stories in general is something like, "If I can believe that something from this other person can survive Death, then maybe there's hope for ME, that I can survive death, too."

I actually don't see what's so mysterious here. Ghost stories are a fundamental part of the human psyche; it's all tied to a need to believe in life-after-death.
 
There IS a logic, and there IS a rationale.

The logic is that we've all known people in life who are completely, powerfully, obsessive about something--horses, wine, clothing, stamp collecting, Star Wars--so when that person dies, it's logical to us that their obsession would be so powerful that it would literally reach beyond the grave. And so we imagine that we hear or see them in this life, still continuing to obsess about horses, wine, clothing, stamp collecting, or Star Wars.

The rationale behind ghost stories in general is something like, "If I can believe that something from this other person can survive Death, then maybe there's hope for ME, that I can survive death, too."

I actually don't see what's so mysterious here. Ghost stories are a fundamental part of the human psyche; it's all tied to a need to believe in life-after-death.

I find this rationale a bit... unimaginative. It theorizes that even in the afterlife, Star Wars, stamp collecting, etc. will matter. Also, the subject after death can communicate/interact with our world, but this communication/interaction is a bit wrong and creepy, since they only express a certain aspect of their personality, and nothing more.

So, this does not give me hope. On the contrary, it suggests that I will be a sad parody of myself, muttering Firefly quotes as EVP-s for all eternity after I die. No thanks...
 
About the fact that even if I accept this as an actual "ghost voice" recording, the story behind it does not make logical sense.

Most of the modern ghost-huntin' spiel makes no logical sense. It's what they do.
 
I find this rationale a bit... unimaginative. It theorizes that even in the afterlife, Star Wars, stamp collecting, etc. will matter.


It theorizes that even in the afterlife, Star Wars, stamp collecting, etc. will matter to a person as much as they do here. I don't see any problem with that. If someone on This Side is totally obsessive about "Han Shot First!", it's logical to assume that this passion will carry over to the The Other Side; I mean, why wouldn't it? would be MY question. Deep human passions are almost by definition immovable; nobody spends 40 years of their life collecting every possible scrap of Elvis memorabilia and then suddenly one day decides to stop collecting it and chuck it all. Why would we be required to shed all our passions when we cross over? That would seem to negate our humanity. Should we be required to become ethereal, non-passionate beings in order to more fully meditate on the abstract nature of being, or to play harps, or something? No, it seems much more logical to me that what is, will continue to be, with only the slight modification of having to communicate one's passion through table-rapping or EVP instead of blog posts. "People don't change much" I think is the watchword here.

Also, the subject after death can communicate/interact with our world, but this communication/interaction is a bit wrong and creepy, since they only express a certain aspect of their personality, and nothing more.



I could argue that the obsessive, passionate aspect of personality is not just a "certain" aspect, but is the ONLY aspect, that it is the only thing that could possibly carry over to the Other Side in the first place. A low-grade irritation at people who fart in elevators wouldn't have the power, the muscle, the strength, to linger in Swedenborgian space the way that full-tilt fury at people who smoke and thereby pollute and damage not only their own lungs but also the lungs of everyone around them would.


I will be a sad parody of myself[/URL], muttering Firefly quotes as EVP-s for all eternity after I die. No thanks...


Do you mutter Firefly quotes obsessively now, on This Side? If so, then yeah, I guess you have that to look forward to. :D You and the "Han Shot First!" guy can get together and compare notes.
 
It theorizes that even in the afterlife, Star Wars, stamp collecting, etc. will matter to a person as much as they do here. I don't see any problem with that. If someone on This Side is totally obsessive about "Han Shot First!", it's logical to assume that this passion will carry over to the The Other Side; I mean, why wouldn't it? would be MY question. Deep human passions are almost by definition immovable; nobody spends 40 years of their life collecting every possible scrap of Elvis memorabilia and then suddenly one day decides to stop collecting it and chuck it all. Why would we be required to shed all our passions when we cross over? That would seem to negate our humanity. Should we be required to become ethereal, non-passionate beings in order to more fully meditate on the abstract nature of being, or to play harps, or something? No, it seems much more logical to me that what is, will continue to be, with only the slight modification of having to communicate one's passion through table-rapping or EVP instead of blog posts. "People don't change much" I think is the watchword here.





I could argue that the obsessive, passionate aspect of personality is not just a "certain" aspect, but is the ONLY aspect, that it is the only thing that could possibly carry over to the Other Side in the first place. A low-grade irritation at people who fart in elevators wouldn't have the power, the muscle, the strength, to linger in Swedenborgian space the way that full-tilt fury at people who smoke and thereby pollute and damage not only their own lungs but also the lungs of everyone around them would.





Do you mutter Firefly quotes obsessively now, on This Side? If so, then yeah, I guess you have that to look forward to. :D You and the "Han Shot First!" guy can get together and compare notes.

Know something we don't?
 
It theorizes that even in the afterlife, Star Wars, stamp collecting, etc. will matter to a person as much as they do here. I don't see any problem with that. If someone on This Side is totally obsessive about "Han Shot First!", it's logical to assume that this passion will carry over to the The Other Side

I still don't see why. This whole concept seems grounded. Isn't The Other Side by definition another place, where the rules and general... things are completely different?

Why would Firefly obsession and Han Shot First be something a dead person would try to pass as a message to the living? Why wouldn't their message be about something much more important? Even as an obsessive Firefly fan, if I get the chance to talk to the living by any means, I would not say "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds given adequate vacuuming systems.", instead, I would try to give a bit of an info on the people on This Side about how I live my l... umm... spend my existence on The Other Side. That's much more interesting, isn't it? (But hey, the blood quote would make a reeeeally nice EVP, I might try it just for the kicks :D)

There is another factor though: time. After death, the person will exist indefinitely in his/her EVP-sprouting form. What will they do long after no one remembers Han Shot First or Firefly anymore? What will they do when humankind eradicates itself or leaves to another planet? What will they do in a thousand years? As much as I like to imagine, I don't think Firefly will be on the minds of people in say 3058 anymore...

I could argue that the obsessive, passionate aspect of personality is not just a "certain" aspect, but is the ONLY aspect, that it is the only thing that could possibly carry over to the Other Side in the first place.

Well then, that's not me that is carried over. I'm much more than that.

Do you mutter Firefly quotes obsessively now, on This Side? If so, then yeah, I guess you have that to look forward to. :D You and the "Han Shot First!" guy can get together and compare notes.

Yep, sometimes... But why would I look forward to something I'm already doing? I look forward to things that will be different, not to things that will be the same...
 
Sounds like the ghost attempted a regional accent but didn't quite have it down yet.

The intonation is a bit weird, and the guy sounds like he has to fight for every word. It does not really sound angry, it sounds like a struggle for me...
 
SNIPPITY

So, this does not give me hope. On the contrary, it suggests that I will be a sad parody of myself, muttering Firefly quotes as EVP-s for all eternity after I die. No thanks...

Oh, come now, if you're going to leave a mysterious voice on a cheap digital recorder, you can't get a lot better than "Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!"
 

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