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Confederate flag causing a flap in SC

Piggy was saying that the known anti-semite and all around racist MaGZ thinking the Jews went for money isn't surprising.
 
citizenzen said:
When making a slur against Jews, I'd include a ;) so people could at least assume you were indulging in tired humor and not bigotry.
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As I read it, he wasn't making a slur against Jews, he was making a slur against MaGZ (whose post didn't surprise me either).
 
phildonnia said:
As I read it, he wasn't making a slur against Jews, he was making a slur against MaGZ (whose post didn't surprise me either).
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There are plenty of Google links on "Savannah, Jews, and slaves".

This is the obvious reason why so many Jews settled in Savannah, Georgia.

Ditto for Kingston, Jamaica.
 
quadraginta said:
Perhaps I should have said "... was only indirectly about Jews ...". Does that help any?

(Hint; There is more than one way to interpret Piggy's comment.)
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I've always though that the designer who made the confederate battle emblem chose the design because he was of scotch ancestry and the bars reminded him of the flag of scotland.
 
Cainkane1 said:
I've always though that the designer who made the confederate battle emblem chose the design because he was of scotch ancestry and the bars reminded him of the flag of scotland.
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The Stars and Bars do not have a saltire. The bars are horizontal.

According to the afore-linked Wikipedia page, the first "national" flag of the Confederacy was designed by a Prussian, not a Scot. I do not know if alcohol was involved.

Regarding the design of the Confederate battle flag, only one of the three designers was a Scot. The others were French-Spanish creole and French Huguenot. I don't see any homage to their roots. Rather, the diagonals were meant to contrast with Union horizontals on the field of battle.
 
MaGZ said:
There are plenty of Google links on "Savannah, Jews, and slaves".

This is the obvious reason why so many Jews settled in Savannah, Georgia.

Ditto for Kingston, Jamaica.
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And so many Christians settled in Savannah because...?

Anyone who settled in Savannah hoping to get rich in the antebellum period, would be making money off slavery, either directly or indirectly, regardless of their religion.
 
I don't know if the Scottish heritage of any of the flag's designers had any relevance to that design, but it is certainly possible, considering the large number of Scots and Scots-Irish who settled in the southern colonies.

Of course there was an equally large number that settled in the northern colonies, so it isn't very clear to me what difference it makes in the greater scheme of things.

This flag has come to mean what it means now, regardless of what it may have signified before or how many different varieties of a saltire have been used in other places with different implications. (Roman Emperors used them on coinage. Maybe there was an Italian on the flag design committee?) It is pointless to try and deconstruct those aspects, just as it is a waste of time to dwell much on the earlier meanings of a swastika, before it was usurped by the Nazis. Aside from an interesting historical digression it is not germane to the question.
 
Pup said:
And so many Christians settled in Savannah because...?

Anyone who settled in Savannah hoping to get rich in the antebellum period, would be making money off slavery, either directly or indirectly, regardless of their religion.
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Savannah was the first city in the US to host a large Jewish population. Why did they choose that city? They could have gone to Boston, Philadelphia, or any other large city in America, but the chose Savannah to profit from the slave trade.
 
MaGZ said:
Savannah was the first city in the US to host a large Jewish population. Why did they choose that city? They could have gone to Boston, Philadelphia, or any other large city in America, but the chose Savannah to profit from the slave trade.
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Well, no... you're perhaps thinking of Charleston, but when did facts ever get in the way, eh? And they did go to other cities, e.g. New York and Newport, which both had large early Jewish populations. Probably settled there because that's where there were the most Christian babies, the blood of which they needed to conduct their secret rituals, ya know.

Here's a real morality puzzle for you MaGZ, what with your world view. The Confederacy (probably as noble a cause as you've encountered) had Jewish Generals and Colonels and even a Jewish Cabinet Member.
 
MaGZ said:
Savannah was the first city in the US to host a large Jewish population.
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Hmmm ... According to this article, History of the Jews in the United States ...

Until the 1830s the Jewish community of Charleston, South Carolina was the most numerous in North America.​

When you look up History of the Jews in Charleston, South Carolina
you find ...

The earliest record of a Jew in Charleston occurs in 1695, when one is mentioned as acting as interpreter for Governor Archdale. It is not improbable, however, that individual Jews had settled there at an earlier date. In 1702 Jews appeared in numbers and voted at a general election. The Jewish community at Charleston received a substantial addition during the years 1740-41, when the illiberal policy of the trustees of Georgia induced both Jews and Christians to leave that colony and to flock to South Carolina.

By 1800 there were about 2,000 Jews in South Carolina (overwhelmingly Sephardic and settled in Charleston), which was more than in any other U.S. state at that time, and more than any other town, city, or place in North America. Charleston remained the unofficial capital of North American Jewry until about 1830, when the increasing number of Ashkenazi German Jews emigrating to America largely settled in New Orleans, Richmond, Savannah, Baltimore, and the north-east (particularly in Philadelphia and New York City), eventually surpassing the mostly Sephardic Jewish community in Charleston.​


Digging even further I found this theAtlanticOnline book review of The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews - Volume One, which provides a detailed and nuanced criticism of the book.

It's a good read. I suggest MaGZ check it out.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Well, no... you're perhaps thinking of Charleston, but when did facts ever get in the way, eh? And they did go to other cities, e.g. New York and Newport, which both had large early Jewish populations. Probably settled there because that's where there were the most Christian babies, the blood of which they needed to conduct their secret rituals, ya know.

Here's a real morality puzzle for you MaGZ, what with your world view. The Confederacy (probably as noble a cause as you've encountered) had Jewish Generals and Colonels and even a Jewish Cabinet Member.
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And after the war they had Jewish members of the Ku Klux Klan.
 
Cainkane1 said:
Believe it or not there were black Klan members. http://www.kkklan.com/negroklan.htm Actually I can find no mention of Jews in the kkk on the internet much to their credit.
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If they were Confederate veterans that fought for the South there would not have been any prohibition against Jews joining the Klan. They all, Jew and Christian alike, believed in White Supremacy.
 
citizenzen said:
When making a slur against Jews, I'd include a ;) so people could at least assume you were indulging in tired humor and not bigotry.
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What doesn't surprise me is that MaGZ "always thought the Jews settled in Savannah to make money off the slave trade".

Why, does it surprise you?
 
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