Computational Analysis of General Relativity and Gravitational Waves

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This article is a computational analysis of the theory of gravitational waves; as expressed within Einstein’s Theory of General Relativity and the wider realm of Astrophysics. Essentially a critique, this study has been written for the purpose of explaining the unobvious challenges faced in building graphically dynamic evolutionary computer models. These models compute the theoretical functionality of gravitational waves in the celestial paradigms of solar system formation and galaxy formation.

This script is intended to be interpreted by computer programmers, philosophers, physicists, mathematicians, psychologists and the curious public. It is thus expressed in ordinary language devoid of jargon as much as is possible.

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http://www.flight-light-and-spin.com/relativity/gravitational-waves%2Bgeneral-relativity.htm
 
first bit was semi-sane
but quickly devolves in to tinfoil stuff
 
This article is a computational analysis of the theory of gravitational waves; as expressed within Einstein’s Theory of General Relativity and the wider realm of Astrophysics. Essentially a critique, this study has been written for the purpose of explaining the unobvious challenges faced in building graphically dynamic evolutionary computer models. These models compute the theoretical functionality of gravitational waves in the celestial paradigms of solar system formation and galaxy formation.

This script is intended to be interpreted by computer programmers, philosophers, physicists, mathematicians, psychologists and the curious public. It is thus expressed in ordinary language devoid of jargon as much as is possible.

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http://www.flight-light-and-spin.com/relativity/gravitational-waves%2Bgeneral-relativity.htm

I don't think the person involved understands any of the physics or mathematics of the subject that he is talking about. He has a very poor understanding of the subject.

The first paragraph is a nontechnical review of the matter. This would be good enough for a layman. However, please note that it is a nontechnical review. There is no quantitative information, no mathematical expressions, and no logical axioms. Therefore, the description has been simplified for understanding at the cost of ambiguity in the physics.

The following paragraphs make some pseudo-logical deductions from the ambiguous terminology. He starts by begging the question. He places his own false conclusions in the hypotheses of his question.

The writer claims that gravity waves can't escape a black hole because time stops at the event horizon. However, physicists and mathematicians don't claim that gravity waves 'escape' a black hole.

The gravitational tensor, which is the relativistic analog to a gravitational field, extends a long distance from the event horizon. If the black hole were in free fall in a flat region of space time, then there would be a static gravitational tensor that extended far past the event horizon. When the black hole is accelerated, by either a mechanical force or a curved gravitational tensor, there is a true wave that forms at a large distance from the black hole.

Let me over simplify the problem for clarity! :) Let us picture the relativistic gravitational tensor as something like a gravitational field as presented in an undergraduate introductory physics class. Sophmores, attention! :)

The event horizon only tethers the gravitational field. Waves don't 'escape' from the event horizon. The gravitational field is a far field effect that is not valid close to the event horizon. The gravitational field near the event horizon is better described by near field.

Some analogies would be helpful. I will try two. Although one has to be cautious about analogies, an analogy would be better than the paranoid slop some cranks are peddling :D

Gravitational waves are distantly analogous to electromagnetic waves (e.g., light). The gravitational field is distantly analogous to an electromagnetic field.

Electric charges tether electric fields. Even when an electric charge is standing still, there is a static electric field that extends large distances from the electric charge. Magnetic fields are generated when an electric charge moves at a uniform velocity. The magnetic fields encircle the moving electric charge.

The electromagnetic fields close to the charge are not true waves. They can be simply described using a near field approximation. If the charge does not accelerate, then the electric and magnetic fields merely follow the motion of the electric charge. This near field motion can't transmit energy large distances, although it can transmit energy small distances.

Electromagnetic waves are generated when an electrical charge accelerates. The static electromagnetic field is disturbed by the acceleration in such a way that it forms true waves. The waves can move energy large distances at the speed of light. However, the waves emerge a significant distance from the electric charge.

The near field approximation is still valid close to the electric charge, even when the electric charge accelerates. The electromagnetic wave per se is something that assembles a distance from the electric charge.

The gravitational field line is bound to the event horizon like a jump rope is bound to a chid's hand when she hold it. Obviously, a jump rope can't move relative to the hand that tightly holds the end. This grasp of a child's hand on the jump rope is analogous to the stoppage of time at the event horizon.

When the child's hand moves, energy is transferred to the jump rope. Now the behavior of the rope near the child's hand can not be described as a true wave. It is better described by the theory of elastic forces. If the hand does not move, then the grip forms a strain field in the region where the hand and rope join. The stress field of the hand can't transport energy large distances.

When the child hands moves back and forth, a true wave is formed that travels the entire rope. The displacement of the rope can be characterized by a true wave. The wave can be carry energy from one child's hand to another. However, the region near the hand is still describable by a stress field.

There are all sorts of waves that are set up in all sorts of fields. In general, the waves are a far field phenomenon. These 'real waves' emerge a significant distance from the source of the field (i.e., the charge).

The region near the source has to be described by a near field model. Basically, they are 'virtual waves' in that they could conglomerate a distance from the source to form 'real waves'. Virtual waves have a whole lot of unwave-like behavior.

The gravitational field near the event horizon most likely behaves in a static fashion. The gravitational waves should be seen as something that forms far from the event horizon.

Class, dismissed! :)
 
This article is a computational analysis of the theory of gravitational waves; ...
The "Gravitational Waves & General Relativity" page is too simplistic to be of any use. The least we would expect is citations to GR textbooks rather than ‘A Brief History of Time’ and where are the citations for the existing numerical simulations ("computational analysis ") of gravitational waves?

The PDF that is basis of the web pages has a date of 22 May 2016 but states: "If the existence of gravitational waves could be proved". The first detection of gravitational waves was announced on 11 February 2016 and we have another detection since then (15 June 2016). The PDF is mostly a long list of ignorant scenarios. As an example look at the very ignorant
There is another fundamental theoretical paradox with gravitational waves. If we place two bodies so that there is no motion between them, then there would be no energy to tap into and thus neither can give off the energy of gravitons. These stationary objects would then have no gravitational force between them.
Gravitational waves are not gravity - that is really basic :jaw-dropp! Simply put, gravitational waves are the response of spacetime to changes in massive systems, e.g. a pair of merging black holes. An analogy would be a charged particle giving off electromagnetic waves when it is shaken which is how radio transmitter work. Electromagnetism is working even if the charged particles are not shaken (radio transmitters do not spontaneously fall apart).
Scenario 2G: The atoms in the Earth are not moving relative to each other so they should not be able to have any gravitational affect on one another...
emphases the ignorance.

The "Gravitational Wave Lensing" page waffles on about the possibility of galaxies lensing gravitational waves escaping from black holes and asks "Can you see the problem with this scenario yet?" The answer is yes - a scenario that does not reflect what GR states is wrong.

The "General Relativity & Gravity" page is fairly ignorant about gravitational waves. It goes on about gravitons which are the hypothetical mediator of gravity in quantum mechanics. But the author seems to think that gravitons are part of GR.
There is no actual "principle that nothing can move faster than the velocity of light". That is a limit for massive objects in SR. For example, we know that the expansion of the universe means that galaxies can travel faster than light. Then "But the idea that giving the photon zero mass..." nonsense ending with "But can you resolve the contradictions?" with the obvious answer that arguing from ignorance is not a contradiction. For example a photon leaving a nose does not give the nose an infinite mass!

The "Relativity & Time" page reveals the author to be just another physics internet relativity denier. The denial here is the fact that GPS satellites only work if SR and GR are included. Goes onto ta couple of irrelevant "scenarios" including the fantasy that atomic clocks are slowed by friction on the GPS satellites!

The "Relativity & GPS Formula Calculations" page is a continuation of the GPS nonsense. The author thinks that a crank web site is a reliable source of valid science. He cites What is trilateration? and GPS accuracy and error sources as if they were scientific literature (Mio manufactures GPS devices). Gets a bit closer to scientific literature with a University of Colorado page General relativity in the global positioning system but from 1997 which explains that SR and GR were not compensated for in one satellite and the signals drifted as expected :eek:! More rather ignorant "scenarios" follow.

The "Computational Methodology" page starts with delusion that the author has solved the many-body-problem for Newtonian gravity. It goes onto more delusions , e.g. the Sun used to be a binary star, "The inner planets at one point were moons of Jupiter", etc. The smallest delusion is that the page has anything to do with it's title - no computing or methodology is presented :eek:!

The "Gravitational Waves - Real World Implications" page is more fantasies about relativity "errors" and ignorance abut how science works. SR and GR wee first accepted because they had evidence for them. They are accepted today because they have enormous bodies of evidence collected over a century supporting them. "Arguments from authority" and "group think" nonsense. A really big irrelevant rant with plenty of ignorance fills the page.
 
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Equally ignorant at the web site is the Relativity Revised page, e.g.
"{A} Relativity proposes that space contracts as an object approaches the velocity of light." when SR predicts that an observer measures the length of objects contracting as they get faster relative to them. That has nothing to do with the observations that the universe is expanding.

"{B} The Michelson-Morley experiment can be explained by realizing that the medium through which light is moving, is itself simply moving with the Earth" is true but ignorant of the other experiments that show that this is not the case.

"{A} proves Relativity to be unempirical. {B} is the explanation that replaces Relativity." is a lie. SR is extremely empirical. There are hundreds or even thousands of empirical uses and passed tests of SR. The only bit of truth is that the difficulty of measuring lengths of rapidly moving objects means that length contraction has not been explicitly tested. From memory there was a proposal to put dumb-bell shaped molecules into a particle accelerator.

The rest of the page is scenarios that are ignorant about SR and asserted to show that SR is wrong.
 
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Darwin123 and Reality Check

Very interesting posts. They make a lot of sense to me although I'd never be able to get my head round it all! It is sad to think that there is yet another pseudo science tract out there on the internet setting up another obstacle in the way of real progress and understanding of things.
 
This, from the top of page 4 of the linked article, set off my woo alarm:

I encountered some disagreement online with the previous chapter of this thesis which disproved Special Relativity and replaced it with Sum Theory. There was something of a consensus of assumption that because GPS systems could be using some of the mathematics within Relativity – that therefore all of Relativity must be flawless.

OP, if this is not just a seagull thread, what is your opinion on the content of the site?


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Darwin123 and Reality Check

Very interesting posts. They make a lot of sense to me although I'd never be able to get my head round it all! It is sad to think that there is yet another pseudo science tract out there on the internet setting up another obstacle in the way of real progress and understanding of things.

But, fortunately, only to some idiots and a number of (mostly republicker) politicians who hate any science that shows their ideas to be wrong/ignorant/foolish - which most does!!!!!

When science counters ignorance, ignorance always tries to strike back. And we have at least 35 great examples of this just in our science pages. But, must resist constant urge to name them all!!!!!!!!!
 
When science counters ignorance, ignorance always tries to strike back. And we have at least 35 great examples of this just in our science pages. But, must resist constant urge to name them all!!!!!!!!!

:)
 
I don't think the person involved understands any of the physics or mathematics of the subject that he is talking about. He has a very poor understanding of the subject.

The first paragraph is a nontechnical review of the matter. This would be good enough for a layman. However, please note that it is a nontechnical review. There is no quantitative information, no mathematical expressions, and no logical axioms. Therefore, the description has been simplified for understanding at the cost of ambiguity in the physics.

The following paragraphs make some pseudo-logical deductions from the ambiguous terminology. He starts by begging the question. He places his own false conclusions in the hypotheses of his question.

The writer claims that gravity waves can't escape a black hole because time stops at the event horizon. However, physicists and mathematicians don't claim that gravity waves 'escape' a black hole.

The gravitational tensor, which is the relativistic analog to a gravitational field, extends a long distance from the event horizon. If the black hole were in free fall in a flat region of space time, then there would be a static gravitational tensor that extended far past the event horizon. When the black hole is accelerated, by either a mechanical force or a curved gravitational tensor, there is a true wave that forms at a large distance from the black hole.

Let me over simplify the problem for clarity! :) Let us picture the relativistic gravitational tensor as something like a gravitational field as presented in an undergraduate introductory physics class. Sophmores, attention! :)

The event horizon only tethers the gravitational field. Waves don't 'escape' from the event horizon. The gravitational field is a far field effect that is not valid close to the event horizon. The gravitational field near the event horizon is better described by near field.

Some analogies would be helpful. I will try two. Although one has to be cautious about analogies, an analogy would be better than the paranoid slop some cranks are peddling :D

Gravitational waves are distantly analogous to electromagnetic waves (e.g., light). The gravitational field is distantly analogous to an electromagnetic field.

Electric charges tether electric fields. Even when an electric charge is standing still, there is a static electric field that extends large distances from the electric charge. Magnetic fields are generated when an electric charge moves at a uniform velocity. The magnetic fields encircle the moving electric charge.
Or when an electric charge is accelerating.

The electromagnetic fields close to the charge are not true waves. They can be simply described using a near field approximation. If the charge does not accelerate, then the electric and magnetic fields merely follow the motion of the electric charge. This near field motion can't transmit energy large distances, although it can transmit energy small distances.

Electromagnetic waves are generated when an electrical charge accelerates. The static electromagnetic field is disturbed by the acceleration in such a way that it forms true waves. The waves can move energy large distances at the speed of light. However, the waves emerge a significant distance from the electric charge.

The near field approximation is still valid close to the electric charge, even when the electric charge accelerates. The electromagnetic wave per se is something that assembles a distance from the electric charge.

The gravitational field line is bound to the event horizon like a jump rope is bound to a chid's hand when she hold it. Obviously, a jump rope can't move relative to the hand that tightly holds the end. This grasp of a child's hand on the jump rope is analogous to the stoppage of time at the event horizon.

When the child's hand moves, energy is transferred to the jump rope. Now the behavior of the rope near the child's hand can not be described as a true wave. It is better described by the theory of elastic forces. If the hand does not move, then the grip forms a strain field in the region where the hand and rope join. The stress field of the hand can't transport energy large distances.

When the child hands moves back and forth, a true wave is formed that travels the entire rope. The displacement of the rope can be characterized by a true wave. The wave can be carry energy from one child's hand to another. However, the region near the hand is still describable by a stress field.

There are all sorts of waves that are set up in all sorts of fields. In general, the waves are a far field phenomenon. These 'real waves' emerge a significant distance from the source of the field (i.e., the charge).

The region near the source has to be described by a near field model. Basically, they are 'virtual waves' in that they could conglomerate a distance from the source to form 'real waves'. Virtual waves have a whole lot of unwave-like behavior.

The gravitational field near the event horizon most likely behaves in a static fashion. The gravitational waves should be seen as something that forms far from the event horizon.

Class, dismissed! :)

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Or when an electric charge is accelerating.

Interesting note in this regard: black holes can be charged, and if a charged black hole accelerates, it will emit light because of that acceleration. So any charged black hole emitting gravitational waves will be emitting light as well.

This doesn't have much practical relevance, though. Real black holes are not expected to have much charge, and the frequency of radiation from them even in extreme cases (like spiraling black hole pair collision detected by LIGO) is low, so this wouldn't be visible light, and it wouldn't be very intense, so we likely wouldn't be able to detect it.
 

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