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Complete pardons for the Norfolk Four

Desert Fox

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I have some absolutely incredible news although still about two months old
They have all gotten complete pardons from the Governor
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...oned-by-gov-mcauliffe/?utm_term=.6ca2033e0a67


The four Navy veterans who were wrongly convicted of the rape and murder of a woman in Norfolk in 1997 and served years in prison, were formally pardoned Tuesday by Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D). Investigations showed the sailors were coerced into falsely admitting their involvement in the crime, and the Norfolk police detective who led the investigation is now in prison for other misconduct on the job.

The pardons are the final chapter in the saga of the “Norfolk Four,” who were convicted and imprisoned in the death of 18-year-old Michelle Moore-Bosko even as another man confessed and matched the DNA at the crime scene. Danial Williams, Derek Tice and Joseph Dick were convicted of rape and murder and given life sentences, and a fourth sailor, Eric Wilson, was convicted of rape. Williams, Tice and Dick were conditionally pardoned and released by then-Gov. Timothy Kaine (D) in 2009, while Wilson had already been released.

But Kaine had stopped short of clearing their names, and the sailors continued to seek full pardons and freedom from being permanently classified as sex offenders. McAuliffe took that step Tuesday after a federal judge last year ruled that they were actually innocent.

“These pardons close the final chapter on a grave injustice that has plagued these 4 men for nearly 20 years,” McAuliffe spokesman Brian Coy said Tuesday. “While former Governor Kaine had initially granted conditional pardons in the case, more exculpatory information discovered since then and detailed by [U.S. District] Judge John Gibney during exhaustive evidentiary proceedings indicate that absolute pardons are appropriate.”

In a press release, defendant Wilson said, “I speak for all four of us in expressing our deepest thanks to Governor McAuliffe, who has given us our lives back with these full pardons. We have been haunted by these wrongful convictions for twenty years, which have created profound pain, hardships, and stress for each of us and our families. We now look forward to rebuilding our reputations and our lives.”


As well:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxR5nee8pBYQQTBUbmFCd1llRnM/view
 
I have some absolutely incredible news although still about two months old
They have all gotten complete pardons from the Governor
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...oned-by-gov-mcauliffe/?utm_term=.6ca2033e0a67





As well:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxR5nee8pBYQQTBUbmFCd1llRnM/view
DF this is fantastic news. I have read everything including the fundamental book.
Thank you for all your hard work, which reminds me of all my hard work, read read and read again.

We want the truth, nothing less, nothing more.
 
The wrong guys of course catalogues drawing to a web a few sailors who were at sea when a bad man killed a good woman.
The sailors did a decade in jail, .....
 
I should be very specific here, everyone should read The Wrong Guys in order to understand Desert fox.
It was the first book I read that truly did my head in with respect to on going wrongful convictions.
It is unbelievable, please read this book this callendar year IF NONE OTHER. You will be glad you did, because it beats Bob Dylan, Pinter and JD Sallinger
 
When stuff like this happens, and is known to happen, It's unbelievable that people still insist "he/they was/were convicted by a court, so he/they definitely did it", in any case at all.

Sure, if someone is convicted and you don't know anything about the case it's not unreasonable to assume they were guilty. But when reasoned doubts are being expressed, it's unreasonable and unsceptical simply to insist that there can't be any doubt and anyone who thinks there is doubt is a conspiracy theorist.
 
When stuff like this happens, and is known to happen, It's unbelievable that people still insist "he/they was/were convicted by a court, so he/they definitely did it", in any case at all.

Sure, if someone is convicted and you don't know anything about the case it's not unreasonable to assume they were guilty. But when reasoned doubts are being expressed, it's unreasonable and unsceptical simply to insist that there can't be any doubt and anyone who thinks there is doubt is a conspiracy theorist.

It is still a valid statement, because (depending on which stats you trust) there is less than 3% of innocence rate (*). Therefore in absence of the justice system exonerating/acquiting/pardonning/serious evidence, then it is a safe bet to assume conviction==culpability.

(*) that is the rate I remember from the innocence project on death penalty- and yes i am against death penalty
 
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I only know a bit about this case and not that in depth. Are there any other suspects that likely did it or is this totally unsolved?
 
The DNA result did not agree with the false confessions

I only know a bit about this case and not that in depth. Are there any other suspects that likely did it or is this totally unsolved?
IIRC the DNA found on the victim did not match any of the four but did match someone else.
 
I only know a bit about this case and not that in depth. Are there any other suspects that likely did it or is this totally unsolved?

The case is solved. The lone perpetrator confessed. IIRC, according to a tv show on the case, the prosecution tried to get him to weave the four into his story for a reduced sentence, and he wouldn't.
 
When stuff like this happens, and is known to happen, It's unbelievable that people still insist "he/they was/were convicted by a court, so he/they definitely did it", in any case at all.

Sure, if someone is convicted and you don't know anything about the case it's not unreasonable to assume they were guilty. But when reasoned doubts are being expressed, it's unreasonable and unsceptical simply to insist that there can't be any doubt and anyone who thinks there is doubt is a conspiracy theorist.

And as long as local DAs/prosecutors are allowed to run for office after they get enough time in the DA offices, they will continue to use fake/planted evidence and suborned witnesses to get convictions to get them elected as tough-on-crime polititicians!!! That is why, as I have noted much priorly, I do not trust prosecutors to work for the law, they work for their further careers mostly - which the number of cases like this one show!!!!! This does not excuse many officers/detectives who are not above augmenting same.

Again, I have never been arrested or charged with a crime, it is in no way personal. But I have read/heard of way too many situations in which it occurred.
 
You need to understand that I probably have met Eric Wilson. . . .He was a gamer and all of the gamers in the area used to go to a place called Campaign Headquarters in Norfolk. Our circles at least overlapped.

If I spin things just a little different, it is not impossible that it could have been me as one of them and I could easily see myself as confessing if interrogated by Ford.
 
I found a bit more . . . .Norfolk Four threaten to sue Norfolk for $68 M
http://pilotonline.com/news/local/c...cle_ac2af92f-ee81-5683-8892-602cf41f768f.html

In addition, looks like the parents of the victim still believe them guilty
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/01/politics/norfolk-four-navy-veteran-pardon/index.html
John and Carol Moore, the victim's parents, told CNN that they still believe the four men are guilty even though they have been granted pardons.

Bill Bosko, the husband of the victim had a major stroke several years ago
http://triblive.com/news/projects/ourstories/8093006-74/billy-bosko-amy
 
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The case is solved. The lone perpetrator confessed. IIRC, according to a tv show on the case, the prosecution tried to get him to weave the four into his story for a reduced sentence, and he wouldn't.

Ah! Yeah I remember this case now (was getting it mixed up with wm3). Yeah the evidence was overwhelming it was the one person that confessed. This is the only wrongful conviction that I have seen that was equal or more obvious than the Knox/sollecito trial. It's a shame prosecutors can get away with crap like this.

What I want to know is how people even begin to be convinced of guilt when the evidence points to such an overwhelmingly obvious conclusion.
 
Ah! Yeah I remember this case now (was getting it mixed up with wm3). Yeah the evidence was overwhelming it was the one person that confessed. This is the only wrongful conviction that I have seen that was equal or more obvious than the Knox/sollecito trial. It's a shame prosecutors can get away with crap like this.

What I want to know is how people even begin to be convinced of guilt when the evidence points to such an overwhelmingly obvious conclusion.

Actually are compared here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz00v2VAUks
 
Three cases where DNA showed that the defendants were innocent but convicted anyway were the Norfolk Four, Amanda Knox, and Billy Wayne Cope.
 
It is still a valid statement, because (depending on which stats you trust) there is less than 3% of innocence rate (*). Therefore in absence of the justice system exonerating/acquiting/pardonning/serious evidence, then it is a safe bet to assume conviction==culpability.

(*) that is the rate I remember from the innocence project on death penalty- and yes i am against death penalty


No, that's missing the point entirely. Your own figures indicate a 3% rate of false convictions. So, should any reasoned argument making a case for a particular defendant being in that 3% be met with scorn and derision rather than a reasoned reply? You seem to be suggesting this. 3% isn't an extreme rarity. To argue that no conviction should be questioned on the basis of that figure is simply ludicrious.

Read my post again. I said that in the absence of any particular knowledge of a particular case, it's not an unreasonable assumption to think the convicted person did it. What I'm saying is that given your 3% figure, it's unsceptical and irrational to dismiss every reasoned argument putting forward a case for a particular conviction being one of the 3% as tinfoil hat conspiracy theorising.

Be uninterested, fine. But don't go out of your way to mock and belittie people arguing against doubtful convictions when the stats show there's a fair chance they may be right. Bear in mind that the convictions that are argued about are the dubious ones - the ones likely to be in the 3% Nobody makes a reasoned case for Harold Shipman and his like being innocent.

ETA: It's a bit like someone saying, look I saw a black swan, and refusing even to look to see if there is a black swan there on the grounds that only 3% of swans are black therefore any random swan you see is very unlikely to be black, therefore you can't have seen a black swan.
 
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I found a bit more . . . .Norfolk Four threaten to sue Norfolk for $68 M
http://pilotonline.com/news/local/c...cle_ac2af92f-ee81-5683-8892-602cf41f768f.html

In addition, looks like the parents of the victim still believe them guilty
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/01/politics/norfolk-four-navy-veteran-pardon/index.html
John and Carol Moore, the victim's parents, told CNN that they still believe the four men are guilty even though they have been granted pardons.

Bill Bosko, the husband of the victim had a major stroke several years ago
http://triblive.com/news/projects/ourstories/8093006-74/billy-bosko-amy
I hope they win the lawsuit!!!!!!!
And frankly I hope that is each and the judge doubles the award. Education on that kind of error should be horrific for those that made the error!!!!!!!
 

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