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CNN fires terrorist supporter.

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Owned by 140 words. CNN's Middle East correspondent Octavia Nasr said on Twitter that she was sad to hear of the loss of a senior Hezbollah cleric and said she respected him a lot. Sayyed Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah supported suicide bombing and lent personal approval for the 1983 truck bombing in Beirut that killed over 200 US troops.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...praising_hezbollah_terrorist_says_credib.html

I'm glad CNN had the guts to fire her.
 
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I note they had to couch it in weasel words of her "credibility is compromised" rather than "we, as a free organization of private people, choose not to associate with her anymore."


ETA: Or the even more accurate, "We, a profit-driven organization, realize she's one hell of a liability, and seek to unload her before she brings a black mark on us, driving down our profits."
 
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I love Teabagger World. A world without nuance. Seriously, if Erick son of Erick can call David Souter a "goat *********** child molester" and still get (and keep) a job on the network, this whole notion of "compromised credibility" is just more TeaHC smoking.

But I'll play along. Here's what she said she respected about the guy.

I used the words "respect" and "sad" because to me as a Middle Eastern woman, Fadlallah took a contrarian and pioneering stand among Shia clerics on woman's rights. He called for the abolition of the tribal system of "honor killing." He called the practice primitive and non-productive. He warned Muslim men that abuse of women was against Islam.
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So can a person respect someone they disagree with on a host of issues for something they agree with whole heartedly? I respect Bob Barr for his principled stance on civil liberties during the Bush years, even though he had dealings with the Council of Conservative Citizens, which is a white supremacist group. I don't agree with his politics much in general, but I do respect this about him. If he died, I'd mention that I was sad because I respected this side of him, when there are so few conservatives who cared a whit about Bush's abuses of power.

It's actually a sad commentary about the right that they'd celebrate firing someone over the view that someone can be respected and still not support everything they stood for.
 
Gee -- in short, she wasn't "politically correct" -- I find it strange that when the right sets a "politically correct" standard, they stop using the words "politically correct" as a negative.
 
Unabogie said:
It's actually a sad commentary about the right that they'd celebrate firing someone over the view that someone can be respected and still not support everything they stood for.
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It's actually a sad commentary about you that you wouldn't celebrate firing someone over their support for a terrorist.
 
headscratcher4 said:
Gee -- in short, she wasn't "politically correct" -- I find it strange that when the right sets a "politically correct" standard, they stop using the words "politically correct" as a negative.
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It would help your position tremendously if you actually understood what is political correctness, a liberal contrivance. Octavia's comments were absolutely in keeping with liberal PC. Just because she was fired doesn't indicate she wasn't being PC.
 
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Ziggurat said:
terrorist

not terrorist

Sometimes, the dividing line actually is pretty clear. It was in this case.
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TERRORIST:
"When you visited him you could be sure of a real debate, a respectful argument and you knew you would leave his presence feeling a better person," UK Ambassador to Lebanon Frances Guy wrote in her blog, which is hosted by the British government. "The world needs more men like him willing to reach out across faiths, acknowledging the reality of the modern world and daring to confront old constraints."

NOT TERRORIST:
In 1985 Fadlallah escaped an assassination attempt in which an explosives truck left 80 people dead. The bombing was widely believed to have been the work of US CIA agents in retaliation for terrorist attacks on US interests in the Middle East.

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=180848


Amidoinitrite?
 
Ziggurat said:
terrorist

not terrorist

Sometimes, the dividing line actually is pretty clear. It was in this case.
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Supports honor killing

Opposes honor killing

Simple dividing line. Either you side with Fadlallah and oppose honor killing, or you side against him and support honor killing. Which is it?

See, others can play your game too…
 
Captain.Sassy said:
TERRORIST:
"When you visited him you could be sure of a real debate, a respectful argument and you knew you would leave his presence feeling a better person," UK Ambassador to Lebanon Frances Guy wrote in her blog, which is hosted by the British government. "The world needs more men like him willing to reach out across faiths, acknowledging the reality of the modern world and daring to confront old constraints."

NOT TERRORIST:
In 1985 Fadlallah escaped an assassination attempt in which an explosives truck left 80 people dead. The bombing was widely believed to have been the work of US CIA agents in retaliation for terrorist attacks on US interests in the Middle East.

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=180848


Amidoinitrite?
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No, you aren't. The second quote has nothing to do with Fadlallah's actions, so it is irrelevant to our evaluation of whether or not he is a terrorist. The first quote is similarly irrelevant. There's nothing about being a diplomat that prevents one from finding a terrorist to be charming, and again, nothing stated which actually exculpates Fadlallah.
 
lomiller said:
Supports honor killing

Opposes honor killing

Simple dividing line. Either you side with Fadlallah and oppose honor killing, or you side against him and support honor killing. Which is it?
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I oppose honor killings, obviously. Him taking the right side on that issue doesn't make him right on any other issue. And it doesn't stop him from being a terrorist.

See, others can play your game too…
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Indeed, you can play the game. But you can't understand it.
 
Unabogie said:
So can a person respect someone they disagree with on a host of issues for something they agree with whole heartedly? I respect Bob Barr for his principled stance on civil liberties during the Bush years, even though he had dealings with the Council of Conservative Citizens, which is a white supremacist group. I don't agree with his politics much in general, but I do respect this about him. If he died, I'd mention that I was sad because I respected this side of him, when there are so few conservatives who cared a whit about Bush's abuses of power.

It's actually a sad commentary about the right that they'd celebrate firing someone over the view that someone can be respected and still not support everything they stood for.
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That's fine for a mainstream person who you just disagree with, but what if the bad parts of a person vastly outweigh their good parts.

To take another Jew-obbsessed militaristic death cultist as an example... would anyone say "Sure I disagreed with Hitler on a host of issues... but he was vegetarian and kind to animals so I respected him a lot and am sad to hear he's dead".

Answer: no one would say that because any good points they might have had are way, way overshadowed by the horrorible side of them.

To a lot of people Hitler is a much better comparison to a senior Hezbollah official than Bob Barr.
 
whats CNNs take on the Nobel Foundation? after all they did give the peace prize to yasser arafat
 
Unabogie said:
It's actually a sad commentary about the right that they'd celebrate firing someone over the view that someone can be respected and still not support everything they stood for.
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I disagree. The guy was despicable and evil, even if not 100% so.

Hey, I hear John Gacy did a great job remodeling kitchens and bathrooms, and Ted Bundy was a good tipper...

No one is 100% evil, that doesn't mean you get off the hook for "respecting" the non-evil things they do.

Hitler loved his dogs, but I don't think the SPCA will use his image on any advertisements anytime soon.
 
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Here’s Baer’s take on Fadlallah: The Death of Fadlallah: The Misunderstood Shi'a Cleric

He concludes (in shades of grey rather than black & white):
Don't get me wrong. Fadlallah was not a friend of the U.S. He preached jihad against the West and created a climate for the attack on the Marine barracks in Beirut. But at the end of the day, he was an independent Arab voice, a Shi'a Muslim courageous enough to stand up against Iran. In that sense, we should regret his passing
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