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Christopher Hitchens: Astrology Not the Only Cosmic Hoax

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Christopher Hitchens, as a "guest voice," posted the following on Washingtonpost.com, May 23:

Astrology Not the Only Cosmic Hoax

In return for the hospitality of Washingtonpost.com this week, may I be churlish and mention something that has been irritating me about the print version of the paper ever since I moved here twenty-five years ago? The fact is that the objective, detached, independent-minded Washington Post publishes horoscopes.

Harmless enough, you may say. But how true is it that nonsense and pseudo-science are harmless? Astrology is widely considered to be discredited because of certain very obvious objections:

1) It gives people the impression that they are the center of the universe and that the constellations are somehow arranged with them in mind.

2) It suggests that there is a supernatural supervision of our daily lives, and that this influence can be detected and expounded by mere humans.

3) It bases itself on the idea that our character and personality are irrevocably formed at the moment of birth or even of conception.

Who does not know how to laugh at the credulity of those who fall for this ancient hoax? And why would it matter, except that religion, too, believes that the cosmos was created with us in mind, that our lives are supervised by an almighty force that priests and rabbis and imams can interpret, and that – by way of doctrines such as “original sin” – our natures have been largely determined when we are still in the womb or the cradle.

Credulity, in the sense of simple-mindedness, is often praised by those who claim to admire the “simple faith” of the devout. But the problem with credulity is that it constitutes an open invitation to the unscrupulous, who will take advantage of those who are prepared to believe things without evidence. This is why, for so many of us, the notion of anything being “faith-based” is a criticism rather than a recommendation.

You can find it here:

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvoices/2007/05/hitchens.html
 
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In the comments section are the usual blatherings, nonsense, and disinformation; but this one just takes the cake.

SANJAY ALTEKAR said:
Astrology is part fo the Hindu tradition. If one don't like Hinduism that's fine, but I wonder if Mr Hitchens would be as vitriolic towards all the other great religions too?

:D :D :D :D :D :D

God... it hurts... make the laughing stop...
 
In the comments section are the usual blatherings, nonsense, and disinformation; but this one just takes the cake.



:D :D :D :D :D :D

God... it hurts... make the laughing stop...

I sense this gentleman (?) doesn't know Christopher Hitchens. :D
 
One thing bothers me.

Christopher Hitchens puts out good stuff, but his current position in the media culture is fashionably edgy-sexy bad boy.

"Atheism? That's so-o-o-o-o-o 2007 ... "
 
I like this one, by "Norrie Hoyt":

Carl Jung thought there was something to astrology, possibly related to his concept of synchronicity.

I believe that Jung has been proven wiser than Mr. Hitchins.

First of all, synchronicity is itself a pseudoscientific concept. Second, how has Jung been "proven wiser" than Hitchens? Did they take a wisdom test (a W.Q.)? Does Norrie Hoyt just mean that Jung is considered to be more eminent in the public mind, or in intellectual discourse? Because that's hardly "proof." And even if Jung is wiser, what about the possibility that when it comes to the particular issue of astrology, he's wrong and Hitchens is right?

I swear, these people are hopeless. And they're everywhere too - just the other day I was at my local bookstore and I got into a philosophical discussion with some guy. He was trying to argue that there's no evidence that life is anything more than a dream and that it's all pointless and meaningless, or something to that effect (the typical Schopenhauerian, angry young male angst). When I, very calmly, for the sake of being polite, suggested that he might want to focus on a less metaphysical subject - like political philosophy, or economics - he asked me what my sign is. I told him Sagittarius. "Well, you would say that," he huffed in response, "because Sagittarians are really into rules and order." (The lesson here: never speak to anyone you encounter in the philosophy section. Just keep your head down, grab what you need, and get out!)
 
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Tarot card and astrology are hilarious to me because they assume there's a correlation between a piece of paper and the movements of the stars to our lives.

I do believe that thinking of that sort is what's clinically referred to as schizophrenia.
 
What is synchronicity (except for two great songs by the Police)?
Synchronicity is basically when something that at first seems to be mere coincidence is actually a manifestation of some underlying pattern of causation, or something like that.

The Police song, "Synchronicity II," for example, is about a stressed out man who's about to lose it, while at the same time a monster, apparently awoken from a long sleep, is coming to the surface of a lake. Seemingly unconnected phenomena, but actually manifestations of a general rising up of something dark and menacing in the world.

You can read more about Synchronicity here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity
 
I too am amazed at the propensity of otherwise respectable newspapers to publish horoscopes. I guess that's what happens when you have a Lifestyle.

Christopher Hitchens said:
1) It gives people the impression that they are the center of the universe

anyway...prove to me that I'm NOT at the centre of the universe then.
 
Anyone read Hitchens' God is Not Great?

If so, is it any good? (It's on my list of books I think I want to buy.)
 
I particularly liked the comment that said something to the effect of "faith does not preclude rational thought." The relevant definition of faith here is "a firm belief in something for which there is no proof." It's fundamentally irrational by definition.
 
anyway...prove to me that I'm NOT at the centre of the universe then.

In the context of the statement you're referring to, it's easy enough to prove that the constellations don't look as they do to us from any other vantage point in the universe besides our own solar system (located, incidentally, pretty far out on the spiral arm of our galaxy).
 
I particularly liked the comment that said something to the effect of "faith does not preclude rational thought." The relevant definition of faith here is "a firm belief in something for which there is no proof." It's fundamentally irrational by definition.

In ordinary secular discourse "faith" does not imply irrationality.

It means something like trust or trustworthiness.

As in "bargaining in good faith".

If I have "faith" in your honesty, I might not have proof you will perform this time, but it is likely based on something other than wishful thinking.

It's impossible to deal with other people without it.


It doesn't get irrational until someone has "faith" in something that does not exist.
 
As in "bargaining in good faith".

If I have "faith" in your honesty, I might not have proof you will perform this time, but it is likely based on something other than wishful thinking.
"good faith" is a phrase from the latin "bona fides" with a particular meaning. While it's different from the way we mean "faith" in this context, I understand your point.
It doesn't get irrational until someone has "faith" in something that does not exist.
It gets irrational as soon as we believe things without any kind of evidence.
In dealing with people, we have indirect evidence they will behave as we expect them to based on evidence from our past experiences.
 
I often wonder how many Believers will pick-up God is not Great and actually read it? And having read it, change their minds?

I would suspect that the book might only win over those sitting on the fence and that real died-in-the-wool Believers would be unaffected.
 

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