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Christianity is a grotesque blight!

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Posted By: Darat



If only more humans were like this grand gentleman.

His spirituality is palpably delicious... he and numerous more like him is what is needed for humans to clamber out of the fetid cesspool that is humanity.

Tragically... tribalism... racism... egoism... and irrationally despite all reason sticking to one's cult and tribe and race and nationality is too much glue that will keep humans firmly mired at the bottom of the cesspit that is humanity... despite the exalted efforts of eagles like this estimable chap who soar high above the stench and putridity, beckoning the rest to shatter their mental shackles and to relinquish their clenching onto their palls of benightedness, so as to join him in the fresh air of mental elevation.

I wish there were more humans like him... but alas... it will never happen!

Not even the legendized Jesus, whom he unfortunately worships, was (if ever existed) even a thousandth of a measure as sublime as this much more admirable gentleman is... not even in the legends fabricated to exalt Jesus could the charlatans lying for him, even imagine such elevated freedom from the dismal turpitude that is humanity.


 
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I thought it was interesting, fwiw.

It's not really an argument for non-believers, but as a political argument within Christianity I thought it was quite effective.
 
Puppycow said:
I thought it was interesting, fwiw.

It's not really an argument for non-believers, but as a political argument within Christianity I thought it was quite effective.
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Exactly!!

I personally think Christianity is a sordid absurdity... and that the Jesus character depicted in the fairy tales of the NT is a ... well.... have a look here...

However... the excellent chap in the OP is addressing Christian Nationalism that is currently the ETHOS of many christians in the United States and perhaps even in Canada where he is from.

And he is doing it from an anglican christian view point with his pleasantly spiritual and sanely progressive stance on the fairy tales and his SELF-PROJECTION of a nice sane loving person onto the cad of the New Tall tales.

So it is a refreshing and nice alternative to the antitheist stance my ilk have against the pernicious blight that is wreaking hate and havoc right now.... and perhaps more effective:confused:.

But I doubt it... Christians in the South were not dissuaded from slave mongering by equally nice christian abolitionists using equally sane and progressive interpretations of christianity.... and they STILL ARE NOT even till today... and they are winning.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
I can't stand to listen to videos where people talk that slowly.
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You can use the settings on the video and set the playback speed to 2x 1.75x etc... try that and see if it will help you avoid an ad hominem comment that has no pertinence whatsoever to anything to do with the content... and no substance whatsoever as a comment in the first place.
 
Leumas said:
You can use the settings on the video and set the playback speed to 2x 1.75x etc... try that and see if it will help you avoid an ad hominem comment that has no pertinence whatsoever to anything to do with the content... and no substance whatsoever as a comment in the first place.
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Newsflash. You can make ad hominem comments about non-members to your heart's content. And as ad-hominem's go, talking slowly is pretty mild. Personally I find him a fatuous idiot.
 
It would appear that the gentleman in the video is saying that Christians shouldn't be 'playing the game' but should be loving humans and letting go of personal ambition in the hope of heavens reward, because 'the game' being played is not being played under the rules of love, and thus, will never allow equity and the game rules will always change to make sure equity will never threaten the game-play the rule-makers are involved in.
 
Navigator said:
It would appear that the gentleman in the video is saying that Christians shouldn't be 'playing the game' but should be loving humans and letting go of personal ambition in the hope of heavens reward, because 'the game' being played is not being played under the rules of love, and thus, will never allow equity and the game rules will always change to make sure equity will never threaten the game-play the rule-makers are involved in.
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Read post#5 above...


ETA: and read the OP again... you missed the point.
 
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YHWH Demands and Loves Human Sacrifice

I am always quite amazed at apologetics for the Buybull containing clear and definitive proofs that YHWH demanded and accepted and got appeased by human sacrifice.

The ones who bewilder me most are the Christian apologists... given that the whole of the New Tall tales' theology is nothing but a grotesque and sordid human blood sacrifice with Zombification to boot.

But what also puzzles me is the poor quality of polemicists' proofs for YHWH's appetite for human sacrifice.

Invariably when the topic is discussed people go straight to Abraham and his son Jacob (Genesis 22:1-13) and then when the apologists retort how that is more of a proof that YHWH was against human sacrifice not for it... the not so informed polemicists bring up the tale of Jephthah and his daughter (Judges 11:30-40).

The apologists then have to contort and wriggle something or another which in their minds alleviates their Cognitive Dissonance satisfactorily for why this story does not definitively prove the case against YHWH.

Afterwards.... the more versed polemicists resort to parrying with these verses:
  • The firstborn of man, and the firstborn of beast... I sacrifice to YHWH... (Exodus 13:1-16)
  • The firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me... (Exodus 22:29-30)
  • 3,000 Hebrews sacrificed for the Golden Calf episode (Exodus 32:28)
  • 70,000 Israelites killed to appease YHWH's anger at David for obeying YHWH's order to take a census (2 Samuel 24:15).
  • 32 little virgins from the extirpated nation of Midianites sacrificed to YHWH as he demanded (Numbers 31:40)
But the above are again repudiated as not proof if one does enough mental contortions and acrobatics to formulate some CASUISTRY... but nothing more than casuistry that might beguile many polemicists, who then just give up in disgust and bewilderment.

However... there are verses that I never see any polemicists use...

I think the following verses are impossible to refute as an airtight clinching case for YHWH being a demander and accepter and enjoyer of human blood sacrifice.

That is not to say that some shrewd apologists have not tried and failed... and are always bound to fail because those verses unlike the ones mentioned earlier are not at all possible to repulse by any sane or rational or factual apologetics... nor even by chicanery and shenanigans... regardless of the splendidness of the mental gymnastics and dexterity of the sleight of pen and nimbleness of the linguistic legerdemain even the most seasoned of apologists could muster.

I am, nevertheless, intrigued what agnostics and secular-theists and even atheists might be able to concoct in rebuttal to these verses being an impossible to thwart proof that YHWH is a blood sacrifice demander and accepter and enjoyer.
  1. In these verses... YHWH COMMANDED and received human sacrifice in order to abate a famine he caused. In the story, David sacrificed 7 grandsons of Saul to YHWH... and then YHWH was pleased and ended the famine he caused.
    • 2 Samuel 21:1-14... And there was a famine in the days of David three years.... And YHWH said: 'It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he put to death the Gibeonites.'... the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bore unto Saul... and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul... and they hanged them in the mountain before YHWH, and they fell all seven together; and they were put to death in the days of harvest... And after that God was entreated for the land.


  2. In these verses... YHWH commands the human sacrifice of a guy called Achan and his entire family and even his animals and possessions in order to resume helping and participating in the conduct of war crimes that he commanded and during which he started sulking and caused the death of some of the war criminals by not helping them anymore... and he received the human sacrifice he commanded and his anger was abated and YHWH did indeed resume helping and carrying out more war crimes.
    • Joshua 7:1-26... for Achan, the son of Carmi,... took of the devoted thing; and the anger of YHWH was kindled against the children of Israel.... And YHWH said unto Joshua... there is a curse in the midst of thee, O Israel... take away the accursed thing from among you... And Joshua... took Achan... and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had... And all Israel stoned him with stones; and they burned them with fire, and stoned them with stones....and YHWH turned from the fierceness of His anger...
 
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theprestige said:
Have you read Hyperion? Dan Simmons did this argument way better.
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I read Hyperion 300 years ago and do not recall anything about it due to my geriatric state... and because of your comment I now have decided to go ahead and buy the Audible three books which I had on my wish list but was not sure whether to waste credits on or not.:thumbsup:


ETA: Can you please summarize that argument by Dan Simmons... but... also... do YOU have and argument? What is it if you do?:thumbsup:
 
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Don't you have a bunch of ongoing threads making basically the same argument already?

Also: prolix; it's not impressive.
Conciseness and clarity are better aids to effective communication.

Just my opinion, YMMV, and all that.
 
Matthew Best said:
I don't think there is such a person or being.
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OK... good... but... the character YHWH in the Buybull... does the narrative show that he is a commander and lover of human sacrifice???

Just like you might discuss the character Othello of Harry Potter or Sherlock Holmes.... if you were asked to say something about them in a discussion.

And more specifically do the verses in Joshua 7 and 2 Samuel 21 cited in the OP have a valid rebuttal that a person who believes in YHWH might validly deploy??
 
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In "Debt: the First 5,000 years" goes into a of detail why we used to use people as currency, and what kind of debts can be paid for with a human life.

The context here is that the Bible is also full of Slavery, in particular Debt Slavery, when parents can sell their children for minor infractions.

Throwing out big numbers of people sacrificed is therefore nothing more than God being established as the Richest Dude who everyone is in debt to and who needs to be paid in slaves, because no one has the actual cash to do it.

In other words - it's a Flex.
 
The 2 Samuel passage doesn't mention God demanding or accepting or enjoying anything.
 
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sphenisc said:
The 2 Samuel passage doesn't mention God demanding or accepting or enjoying anything.
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What about Joshua 7?


sphenisc said:
The 2 Samuel passage doesn't mention God demanding....
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YHWH caused the famine for 3 years... and when David asked him why... YHWH said it is because Saul killed the Gibeonites... which is never mentioned anywhere else.... so YHWH himself said he was angry and that is why he caused the famine and thus was waiting for redress so as to stop the famine he caused.

  • 2 Samuel 21:1-14... And there was a famine in the days of David three years.... And YHWH said: 'It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he put to death the Gibeonites.'...


sphenisc said:
... or accepting....
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And when David handed over the 7 grandchildren of Saul to be slaughtered "in front of YHWH" the famine abated and rain fell... because YHWH accepted the sacrifice.

  • 2 Samuel 21:1-14... the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bore unto Saul... and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul... and they hanged them in the mountain before YHWH, and they fell all seven together; and they were put to death in the days of harvest... And Rizpah the daughter of Aiah took sackcloth, and spread it for her upon the rock, from the beginning of harvest until water was poured upon them from heaven...


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... or enjoying anything.
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YHWH was satisfied with the entreating and stopped the famine he caused...

  • 2 Samuel 21:1-14...And after that God was entreated for the land.
 
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