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Christian Prophecy and the origin of Conspiracy Theories

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It seems to me that conspiracy theories first began with the book of Revelation.

Ever since then, there have been texts and theories to fit in with Revelation. Look at this quote here attributed to William Guy Carr back in 1958.

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2015/01/10/albert-pike-to-mazzini-august-15-1871-three-world-wars/
In 2003, an Englishman by the name of Michael Haupt [fig 1] launched [fig 2] his website threeworldwars.com in response to Jihadist terrorism and the American invasion of Iraq. Backed by the knowledge gleaned from a conspiratorial view of history and an obvious impending cataclysm, the words of William Guy Carr, attributed to Albert Pike, seemed to precisely predict the dire circumstances unfolding in the Middle East.

One message that Albert Pike received from his “spirit guide,” and which in reality we know to be a demonic vision, he described in a letter that he wrote to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871. This letter graphically outlined plans for three world wars that were seen as necessary to bring about the One World Order, and we can marvel at how accurately it has predicted events that have already taken place. This is not because the devil has powers of prophecy, but because his agents have undertaken to manipulate political events to closely follow his designs. For a short time, this letter was on display in the British Museum Library in London, and it was copied by William Guy Carr, former Intelligence Officer in the Royal Canadian Navy.

“The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the “agentur” (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions.”

Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.

“The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm.”

After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China.

“The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”

Since the terrorist attacks of Sept 11, 2001, world events in the Middle East show a growing unrest and instability between Jews and Arabs. This is completely in line with the call for a Third World War to be fought between the two, and their allies on both sides. This Third World War is still to come, and recent events show us that it is not far off.
– Michael Haupt, “Who was Albert Pike?” (Jun 07, 2003 [fig 3]); [cf. the current page]

More recently, we have the SyFy 3 part miniseries CHILDHOOD's END, which many Christians say is a blueprint for what is to come (I.E. Demons will come down pretending to help humans while preparing them for enslavement).

Does prophecy continue to shift to fit the book of Revelation? And do you think my theory of tracing conspiracy theories dates back to the Book of Revelation?
 
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I have nothing to back it up but my 50+ years experience with humans. But, I suspect conspiracy theory thinking came about *long* before Revelations was written.

Now, if we're talking about conspiracy theories *about* Revelations, then, well, sure...
 
I have nothing to back it up but my 50+ years experience with humans. But, I suspect conspiracy theory thinking came about *long* before Revelations was written.

Now, if we're talking about conspiracy theories *about* Revelations, then, well, sure...

Unfortunately, I have not done a lot of study on ancient pre-christian texts, but since the rise of the Catholic Church in the world, dominating influence over the globe, for nearly 2000 years, we see a lot of conspiracy theory writers attributing events and being traced back to "The devil's plot" , and ultimately, return to Revelation to say, "AHA see, the events are rolling into place!"

I mean, let's look to other religions: historical Buddhism, Judaism, etc. You don't see a lot of writers talk about conspiracies like Christians do, because they don't have that devil element as the evil behind everything.
 
Well, I'd certainly question the "dominating influence over the world" bit given roughly 70% of the world's population is not christian. But its certainly an impact player.

Of course there are folks who link their CTs to biblical prophecy. The Bible was one of the earliest printed books, one of the most printed, and one of the most widely distributed geographically and through the ages. CTs naturally accrete to it because of that.

But that doesn't mean CTs started because of it. CT thinking is part of how humans think and I'm sure its been around much longer than the bible.

Will prophecy continue to shift to fit the book of revelation? I assume you mean will modern events continue to be interpreted by some people through the lens of Revelations. Sure, among generally christian cultures. The other ~70% of the world population won't likely care for that game; they have their own religious traditions to hang their own CTs on.
 
Well, I'd certainly question the "dominating influence over the world" bit given roughly 70% of the world's population is not christian. But its certainly an impact player.

Of course there are folks who link their CTs to biblical prophecy. The Bible was one of the earliest printed books, one of the most printed, and one of the most widely distributed geographically and through the ages. CTs naturally accrete to it because of that.

But that doesn't mean CTs started because of it. CT thinking is part of how humans think and I'm sure its been around much longer than the bible.

Will prophecy continue to shift to fit the book of revelation? I assume you mean will modern events continue to be interpreted by some people through the lens of Revelations. Sure, among generally christian cultures. The other ~70% of the world population won't likely care for that game; they have their own religious traditions to hang their own CTs on.

Aha, perhaps then my question needs to be modified:

Is conspiracy thinking DOMINANT among Christians vs other religions, based on theology of Satan/Luficer's ploy of deceiving the whole world?

I would argue yes.
 
I would say that CT belief is far more widespread in the Muslim world. However, my own view is that this is not a direct result of anything in the Quran or the Hadith, but more a cultural/historical thing.
 
Aha, perhaps then my question needs to be modified:

Is conspiracy thinking DOMINANT among Christians vs other religions, based on theology of Satan/Luficer's ploy of deceiving the whole world?

I would argue yes.

Yep, thats a different question entirely. I have no facts to support any position on this, but as I've suggested above, I believe CT thinking is human nature. As such, no specific religion is likely more prone to it than any other. However, the great majority of CTs I experience are entirely secular. So, that at least lends credence to the idea that CT thinking is not created or driven by religion. Rather, CT thinking is human nature and religion simply provides a structure upon which to build CTs.

My Indian colleague at work swears CTs are more prevalent in his culture back home, due to the lower average education levels and the Hindu religion's large number of deities and religious prophesies, both mainstream and underground.

I suggest, tho, that when you are steeped in the traditions of a given religion you are more likely to recognize CTs related to that religion. So, he perceives more Hindu CTs just as you perceive more Christian CTs.

[eta: and I perceive more secular CTs?]
 
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More recently, we have the SyFy 3 part miniseries CHILDHOOD's END, which many Christians say is a blueprint for what is to come (I.E. Demons will come down pretending to help humans while preparing them for enslavement).
That's not an accurate précis of the plot of Childhood's End. 'Aliens who look like demons help humanity transition to a higher state of being' would be closer.
 
That's not an accurate précis of the plot of Childhood's End. 'Aliens who look like demons help humanity transition to a higher state of being' would be closer.

Depending on how you look at it. Clarke never described what being in the overmind was like. A "Higher state of being" is just being in a soup of other minds.
 
Depending on how you look at it. Clarke never described what being in the overmind was like. A "Higher state of being" is just being in a soup of other minds.
True, but I always thought the very title of the book told us that Clarke intended us to think the transition was progress to a higher level. Plus there's Karellen's memorable line (which I was disappointed the TV version left out) "Yes we are the midwives. But we ourselves are barren".
 
I don't understand well the question, because conspiracies always existed.
Harmodius and Aristogeiton (Athens, 514 BCE); Brutus (Marcus Junius Brutus, Rome 44 BCE). Etc, etc. Even Hera, Poseidon, and Athena plotted against Zeus.

I think the sceptics often are too obssesed with the conspiracionism and become negationists. This is to say, the opposite vice. Don't be obssesive, please. Conspiracies have always existed in history and myths . Another thing is the conspiracionism as universal explanation of everything based on absurd or not proven conspiracies.
 

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