Christian extremist as top Terrorist Hunter...

[Malachi151]

http://msnbc.com/news/980764.asp?0cv=CB10

In June 2003, Boykin spoke to a church group over a slide show:

“Well, is he [bin Laden] the enemy? Next slide. Or is this man [Saddam] the enemy? The enemy is none of these people I have showed you here. The enemy is a spiritual enemy. He’s called the principality of darkness. The enemy is a guy called Satan.”
Why are terrorists out to destroy the United States? Boykin said: “They’re after us because we’re a Christian nation.”
NBC News military analyst Bill Arkin, who’s been investigating Boykin for the Los Angeles Times, says the general casts the war on terror as a religious war: “I think that it is not only at odds with what the president believes, but it is a dangerous, extreme and pernicious view that really has no place.”
During a January church speech in Daytona, Fla., Boykin recalled a Muslim fighter in Somalia who bragged on television the Americans would never get him because his God, Allah, would protect him: “Well, you know what I knew, that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol.”

 

[hammegk]

May the true multiculturalist moral relativists reading this thread not suffer permanent bodiliy harm -- stroke, heart attack, etc.

 

[Ian Osborne]

They’re after us because we’re a Christian nation.

It only seems like yesterday that the fundies were claiming God removed his protection from America because it had ceased to be a Christian nation...

 

[hgc]

May the true multiculturalist moral relativists reading this thread not suffer permanent bodiliy harm -- stroke, heart attack, etc.

hammy, here's the thread where you identified yourself as a moral relatavist, based on your theory of the source of our collective morals.

So, do you ever NOT miss the point, in order to make this repeated and ridiculous charge?

Anybody who thinks he will prevail in these Earthly battles of will because "God" is on his side, even if it's our side, is equivalent in that delusion to the muslim in Somalia sited in the example.

Now unless you want to alter your previous definition, and posit a theory of a divine source of absolute morals, then what are you babbling on about?

 

[arcticpenguin]

They’re after us because we’re a Christian nation.

It only seems like yesterday that the fundies were claiming God removed his protection from America because it had ceased to be a Christian nation...

http://www.ffrf.org/nontracts/xian.html

In 1797 America made a treaty with Tripoli, declaring that "the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." This reassurance to Islam was written under Washington's presidency, and approved by the Senate under John Adams.

 

[hammegk]

Now unless you want to alter your previous definition, and posit a theory of a divine source of absolute morals, then what are you babbling on about?

Geez, you take a long time to "get the picture" don't you.

For absolute morals, might makes right. Quote a "divinity" as the basis and the ruling class will have lesser use for truncheons, guns, and enforcers. See how easy that was?


Who do you think will be deciding current moral judgements for you & I? Bush et al, or Islam, or "something else"??

 

[Crossbow]

I wonder what the dear Christian brother Boykin would say about the dear Christian brother Pat Robertson's comments about nuking the US State Department?

 

[Brown]

It is one thing to say that Islamic terrorists perceive the USA as a Christian nation, and their efforts are based upon this relgious perception. It is quite another to say that the USA actually is a Christian nation. The former might be an accurate statement, the latter is not.

Boykin's remark, "They’re after us because we’re a Christian nation," could be taken in either sense.

The context of other quotes in the article suggest strongly that the remark was intended in the latter (inaccurate) sense. Reports from other sources seem to support this interpretation.

Even more frightening than these remarks might be remarks that he would make about Armageddon.

 

[zakur]

No wonder we haven't found Bin Laden or Saddam, our troops are busy looking for a horned, cloven-hoofed fellow.

I don’t want … to be misconstrued. I don’t want to come across as a right-wing radical.

Ummm...too late, General.

 

[JAR]

Back when I used to be a Christian, I considered the Christians who advocated war to be an embarrassment to the religion.

In the New Testament, the closest thing I found to a promotion of warlike behavior was some part where it said it was okay to use war, but I didn't see anything telling Christians to pick up a weapon and fight.

 

[Crossbow]

Back when I used to be a Christian, I considered the Christians who advocated war to be an embarrassment to the religion.

In the New Testament, the closest thing I found to a promotion of warlike behavior was some part where it said it was okay to use war, but I didn't see anything telling Christians to pick up a weapon and fight.

Well, there is this bit that was a favorite among the Crusaders about a thousand years ago:

Matthew 10:33 and 34
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

 

[Ziggurat]

It is one thing to say that Islamic terrorists perceive the USA as a Christian nation, and their efforts are based upon this relgious perception. It is quite another to say that the USA actually is a Christian nation. The former might be an accurate statement, the latter is not.

Actually, I think the fact that we're basically secular offends them more than that we're christian. Here's a nice little quote from an Al Quaeda spokesman:

"America is the head of heresy in our modern world, and it leads an infidel democratic regime that is based upon separation of religion and state and on ruling the people by the people via legislating laws that contradict the way of Allah and permit what Allah has prohibited."

http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=subjects&Area=jihad&ID=SP38802

 

[Marc]

Back when I used to be a Christian, I considered the Christians who advocated war to be an embarrassment to the religion.

In the New Testament, the closest thing I found to a promotion of warlike behavior was some part where it said it was okay to use war, but I didn't see anything telling Christians to pick up a weapon and fight.

Luke
22:36
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

22:37
For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

22:38
And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

 

[Malachi151]

A point that should not be missed is that we are STILL IN IRAQ, still trying to tell these Iraqi Muslims that we are "on their side", and here a major US official is essentially declaring war on Islam!

 

[Starfall]

I haven’t seen this mentioned here (maybe I missed it in another thread), but I think the scariest part was when the General concluded that dark splotches seen in military intelligence photographs of Mogadishu were proof of “demonic spirits”.

I am not making this up. Watch the Real Video stream of this guy and listen for yourself:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/16/attack/main578471.shtml


"Whether you understand it or not, it is a demonic spirit over the city of Mogadishu. Ladies and gentlemen, that's not a fake, that's not a farce," Boykin said.

Did ICanTakePicturesOfDemons become a general when we weren’t looking?