Chris Hitchens being waterboarded.

That was much quicker than I expected for someone to call for the demonstration to cease.

Silly question...why do the interrogators go through all of that rather than just dunking someone's head in a tub of water? Is it more intimidating or frightening? I think I would crap my pants equally as fast under either.
 
That was much quicker than I expected for someone to call for the demonstration to cease.

Silly question...why do the interrogators go through all of that rather than just dunking someone's head in a tub of water? Is it more intimidating or frightening? I think I would crap my pants equally as fast under either.

I suspect you (or anybody else) would crap their pants faster on the board.

Head down bent forward, you have some control over water entering your mouth and nose.

I have no experience with water boarding but I have spent enough time on the bottom of pools and lakes at funny angles doing things like retrieving folding chairs and tying knots.

Ask any swimmer about how they keep water out of their nose in a flip turn. You just have to exhale a little bit out the nose. The water trying to enter your nose is not under much force.

Now on your back angeled head down, the water can be poured with just a little force that will overcome the ability to exhale. The water runs into your head and blocks the airway rather quickly.

The board gives the torturer more control over your experience. This also means they have a better idea what is going on and you are less likely to end up dead by accident.
 
...why do the interrogators go through all of that rather than just dunking someone's head in a tub of water? Is it more intimidating or frightening? I think I would crap my pants equally as fast under either.

The bathtub method works just as well. The board method I'd
presume is a bit quicker and needs less exertion and vigour on
the part of the torturers. The bathtub method was favoured by
PIRA in the '70s and '80s for torture and "executions".
 
That was much quicker than I expected for someone to call for the demonstration to cease.

Silly question...why do the interrogators go through all of that rather than just dunking someone's head in a tub of water? Is it more intimidating or frightening? I think I would crap my pants equally as fast under either.
The board method is far less likely to result in a screw up. That is why it was used in training environments, more control and better safety margin.
 
I suspect you (or anybody else) would crap their pants faster on the board.

I think I'd blubbering as soon as they strapped me to the board. Heck, the two guys in hoods coming to my cell to get me would probably do the job.
 
There was an article about, oh, a year ago on a pro-war Internet forum, where an active scuba diver who was a hawk on waterboarding decided to try it out just as Hitchens did. He was fine with the first few "dippings"; his control taught to him by his diving managed to keep him out of panic. However, as the attack escalated, he reached a point where he said he was absolutely convinced that he was dying and that he could not retain control. I wish I could find the write-up, but it is gone from me now.

In Q&A from other forum members afterwards he said that he would say anything, do anything to prevent ever having to feel that sensation again. He could imagine no circumstances where he would be able to train himself into being able to withstand it. He found it a miracle that people with no training could keep their sanity through it. He also thought that it had gotten to him worse because his training kept it from clouding his mind until it was overwhelming.
 
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I know I don't plan on having that done to me on my cruise to the Amazon this spring. I'm not even sure why it's on the itinerary. :D
 
The descriptive paragraph is worded kind of interesting:


What do they mean by "human cost"?
I think they mean the effect of torturing people, given that the US is officially a state that tortures people, abusing human rights - by putting people in a camp without charge for years and denying them proper legal access, creating secret gulags into which people are kidnapped for torture by proxy - things like that.
 
Not exactly James Bond. I'm glad the countries secrets aren't in that guy's hands. He gave up before they even started. None of my submissives ever gave up the safe word inside of 30 seconds.


Did they think they were going to die in your establishment? I suspect they didn't.

If they did you clearly aren't torturing them to US standards.

Good for you.

PS I wonder what safe words US torturers use.
"Please don't kill or torture me. I will happily make up anything you want."

Aren't those the same pleas heard by all torturers around the world? Approximately 78 countries at the last Amnesty count I believe. Uzbekistan has a very successful method. They boil the flesh off people's arms. Perhaps Bush has put that on the list of permitted torture methods for the CIA? Maybe that's why he won't tell us what torture methods the CIA is allowed to use? Incidently the US has illegally kidnapped and transported people to said Uzbekistan for torture and the US under Bush has been a good friend of said torturing regime while knowing about their disgusting activities.

It seems that torturers stick together.
 
Did they think they were going to die in your establishment? I suspect they didn't.

My French clients call the O "a little death" so all my clients die multiple times every visit.
If they did you clearly aren't torturing them to US standards.
I hold up the American end buddy. I'm nothing if not a patriot.

PS I wonder what safe words US torturers use.
"Please don't kill or torture me. I will happily make up anything you want."

I find the phrase "Master Senex, please don't make me need to sit on a pillow tomorrow at work" gets the job done. Of course you less creative people can use the words "red" and "yellow."
 
That was much quicker than I expected for someone to call for the demonstration to cease.

Silly question...why do the interrogators go through all of that rather than just dunking someone's head in a tub of water? Is it more intimidating or frightening? I think I would crap my pants equally as fast under either.

You don't know when it will stop, the goal is to drown you very slowly.
 
Silly question...why do the interrogators go through all of that rather than just dunking someone's head in a tub of water? Is it more intimidating or frightening? I think I would crap my pants equally as fast under either.

Because then you couldn't call it waterboarding! Where's the fun in that? Duh!
 

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