China's naming and shaming of sex workers and their clients

[Budhess]

On the Australian morning news today were footage of communist China lining up prostitutes and their clients of the streets of China publicly naming and shaming them. They were lined up and sequent called out, told their names family address etc. If anyone knows anything about Chinese culture that is the importance of saving face, the clients would especially be humiliated and angered. This would of course have many devistating affects on themselves and their family and social life. The girls would suffer so much more than public humiliation. I feel so much sympathy for this sitution being that I know a few sex workers are decent loyal friends. This situation has so many aspects to talk about where to I start?

What I have to say is one big Bitter laugh. Woopdeedoo...this is not a shock.

Firstly, besides from the abuse of free trade, I think it’s hypocritical that they would name and shame the very services that they have promoted: The One child Policy 1971-2, which has indirectly made over 50 million Chinese men finding it difficult to find a female partner and has pushed the rate of sex trade to a new high. The homosexuality and female infanticide also taking its toll over there. If it wasn’t for their regime (which I do not say I disagree with) then there wouldn't have been this increase in prostitutions and men requiring their services.

Secondly, they should be sensitive to the fact that many of these girls are forces into the sex worker job, many were kidnapped, forced or had hit a dead end, running the risk of poverty or the death of a family member and thus had to sell their bodies to grimy men for money. Many did NOT choose to do that job and yet they are being publicly named and shamed??? Some are doing this job secretly running the risk of a fiance they dearly love or a father finding out and disowning them. Where is the heart? Talk about brainless and irresponsible punishment for something many did not choose to do. Of course it is not an ideal job, no young girl grew up saying when I grow up I would want to be a sex worker.

Thirdly, I doubt that those officials doing the other side of the naming and shaming did not once use the services of their ladies . It is a corrupt system the claims governmential perfection on face value, it sickens me and makes me laugh so hard.

 

[Darth Rotor]

sad story

What I am trying to determine is whether or not prostitution is legal or not in China.

Is it illegal in all forms, or just in some forms?

If the desire is to crack (no pun intended) down on the sex trade, then the long term aim, or by product, would seem to be the promotion of more frequent masturbation, a recruiting drive for monasteries, or an explicit encouragement of men to pursue whatever homosexual urges they have, or may develop.

Has there been any increase in porn sales recently?

Confusing, to say the least.

DR

 

[Merko]

Someone else surely knows more about specific laws, but one thing that is important to understand about China is that our idea of being able to know clearly what is legal and what is not, does not apply in China. They have no such thing as a free and fair trial under the law.

Personally I don't complain too much about the shaming of the clients, but for much the same reason as the poster I fail to see how hurting the prostitutes even more would improve anything.

 

[steverino]

The One child Policy 1971-2, which has indirectly made over 50 million Chinese men finding it difficult to find a female partner and has pushed the rate of sex trade to a new high.

I am having a blonde moment here. I am not connecting the dots between the "One Child Policy" and 50,000,000 horny Chinese dudes.
Can someone explain?

 

[daredelvis]

I am having a blonde moment here. I am not connecting the dots between the "One Child Policy" and 50,000,000 horny Chinese dudes.
Can someone explain?

Male children are highly valued, so many girl babies ended up having their sculls cracked on a rock shortly after birth. There is a huge imbalance between the numbers of men and women in China. one-child policy^WP
"The sex ratio at birth (between male and female births) in mainland China reached 117:100 in the year 2000, substantially higher than the natural baseline, which ranges between 103:100 and 107:100. It had risen from 108:100 in 1981 -- at the boundary of the natural baseline -- to 111:100 in 1990.[13] Other Asian regions also have higher than average ratios, including Taiwan (110:100), and South Korea (108:100), which do not have a strict family planning policy.[8]

The high preponderance of reported male births in mainland China has been attributed to four main causes: diseases which affect females more severely than males; the result of widespread under-reporting of female births[9] ; the illegal practice of sex-selective abortion made possible by the widespread availability of ultrasound; and finally, acts of child abandonment and infanticide."

Taiwan and South Korea throw a wrench in the works. Hard to know if the policy is responsible or not. Lots of men out in the cold either way.

Daredelvis

 

[fishbob]

You only get one kid, boys are valued, girls are not - resulting in female infanticide, thus a skewed male/female ratio.

And DD beat me to the keyboard.

 

[steverino]

That's the most depressing thing I ever read. Still, thank you for the explanations. I would like to think the "ultra-sound, then abortion, option" is overtaking the "head smashed on the rocks option," but still, an 8.5 month abortion is brutal. And just when I was working up a head of steam against the recent reported killing of millions of dogs in China. I guess dogs and females don't rank so high there. Maybe there will be more international outcry when their country is spot-lighted around the Olympics.

 

[This Guy]

That's the most depressing thing I ever read. Still, thank you for the explanations. I would like to think the "ultra-sound, then abortion, option" is overtaking the "head smashed on the rocks option," but still, an 8.5 month abortion is brutal. And just when I was working up a head of steam against the recent reported killing of millions of dogs in China. I guess dogs and females don't rank so high there. Maybe there will be more international outcry when their country is spot-lighted around the Olympics.

Problem is that there won't be any bashed babies, or dead dogs around the Olympics, or anywhere else folks visiting will be allowed to go. China will make sure that those coming for the Olympics see a very controlled and managed view of China.

 

[DanishDynamite]

On the Australian morning news today were footage of communist China lining up prostitutes and their clients of the streets of China publicly naming and shaming them. They were lined up and sequent called out, told their names family address etc. If anyone knows anything about Chinese culture that is the importance of saving face, the clients would especially be humiliated and angered. This would of course have many devistating affects on themselves and their family and social life. The girls would suffer so much more than public humiliation. I feel so much sympathy for this sitution being that I know a few sex workers are decent loyal friends. This situation has so many aspects to talk about where to I start?

What I have to say is one big Bitter laugh. Woopdeedoo...this is not a shock.

Firstly, besides from the abuse of free trade, I think it’s hypocritical that they would name and shame the very services that they have promoted: The One child Policy 1971-2, which has indirectly made over 50 million Chinese men finding it difficult to find a female partner and has pushed the rate of sex trade to a new high. The homosexuality and female infanticide also taking its toll over there. If it wasn’t for their regime (which I do not say I disagree with) then there wouldn't have been this increase in prostitutions and men requiring their services.

Secondly, they should be sensitive to the fact that many of these girls are forces into the sex worker job, many were kidnapped, forced or had hit a dead end, running the risk of poverty or the death of a family member and thus had to sell their bodies to grimy men for money. Many did NOT choose to do that job and yet they are being publicly named and shamed??? Some are doing this job secretly running the risk of a fiance they dearly love or a father finding out and disowning them. Where is the heart? Talk about brainless and irresponsible punishment for something many did not choose to do. Of course it is not an ideal job, no young girl grew up saying when I grow up I would want to be a sex worker.

Thirdly, I doubt that those officials doing the other side of the naming and shaming did not once use the services of their ladies . It is a corrupt system the claims governmential perfection on face value, it sickens me and makes me laugh so hard.

Yes, it is an unfair and hypocritical action to take. But what else can you expect from a country run exclusively by one party?

 

[Budhess]

That's the most depressing thing I ever read. Still, thank you for the explanations. I would like to think the "ultra-sound, then abortion, option" is overtaking the "head smashed on the rocks option," but still, an 8.5 month abortion is brutal. And just when I was working up a head of steam against the recent reported killing of millions of dogs in China. I guess dogs and females don't rank so high there. Maybe there will be more international outcry when their country is spot-lighted around the Olympics.

The catch is that ultra sounds are banned, abortions are fined with a high fee, yet parents with 2 children will be shamed and also fined. They will receieve no government support and basically a very horrible life. parents have absolutely no idea what sex their baby is until it is born and then you must drown it in a buckte of water if it turns out to be a girl.
Women are under a lot of predjudices, to meet the demand to produce an heir (as Ancient Chinese values believe that boys are complete human beings and girls are only half) They also run the risk of poverty and being alone in their old age because girls cannot stay to look after them when they are old. Daughters are always married off, so the parents with one child will end up with no child. Looks like a bad investment for they go for boys....thus too many boys being born. It looks like by 2020, the aging population of China will see economical inflation and a higher demand of old age care...suppose 1 nurse for 10 old persons, there over a few million nurses. Who will pay for that? The one child will also be known as "little emperors" meaning spoiled self centred brats who wont care for their parents.... So much for confucius's Filial Piety


The future of china looks corrupt and in moral decay.

 

[The Atheist]

The future of china looks corrupt and in moral decay.

I had a friend of mine comment recently about what China will be like in twenty years' time - one billion people, all only children. Ugh.

 

[steverino]

(as Ancient Chinese values believe that boys are complete human beings and girls are only half).

Like Adam's Rib?

They also run the risk of poverty and being alone in their old age because girls cannot stay to look after them when they are old. Daughters are always married off,.

I mean no disrespect, but I am confused. Please explain. Who is alone at old age? Unmarried men? Widowed women?

 

[steverino]

Like Adam's Rib?



I mean no disrespect, but I am confused. Please explain. Who is alone at old age? Unmarried men? Widowed women?

I think I see. You mean an elderly Chinese couple who had just one child, a daughter. Right? The daughter is married and elsewhere, so no other siblings to help parents? What about all the bachelors without wives? Wouldn't they fill the void?

 

[Budhess]

I think I see. You mean an elderly Chinese couple who had just one child, a daughter. Right? The daughter is married and elsewhere, so no other siblings to help parents? What about all the bachelors without wives? Wouldn't they fill the void?

Well would you go to a strangers family if you were bachelor male and just look after some old people for the rest of your life? Hahah I dont think so. Chinese depend on their child to look after them in old age, however if the one child is a girl then she will be married off, that means that you will be poor hungry and lonely in old age because there are no children to look after you, only two old disabled bodies. In the old days it wasnt a problem because the average female had 6 children, now it is only allowed one. You figure it out.


Regarding the pornography in China, theres a news article I found today on the Sydney Morning Herald website

"Chief of China's biggest Internet porn site jailed for life- A 28-year-old man who ran China's most popular pornographic website community with up to 600,000 members has been jailed for life."[/URL]

 

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

I think I see. You mean an elderly Chinese couple who had just one child, a daughter. Right? The daughter is married and elsewhere, so no other siblings to help parents? What about all the bachelors without wives? Wouldn't they fill the void?

Probably not, unless China instituted some sort of state-run "elderly care" program. Aside from what Budhess mentioned about there being no cultural precedent for peopel to take care of other people's parents, there is also the simple matter of numbers. Traditionally it takes two people to take care of one set of parents (a husband and a wife). Since each set of parents are only allowed to produce one child, there will naturally be a large set of elderly couples without children to take care of them. Even bachelors would still have the responsibility to take care of their own parents, so there would be no surplus of bachelors to take care of the elderly, even if they wanted to.

 

[Badger]

I assume these are merely Chinese clients and not the foreigners encouraged to visit similar "places of business" and dump a load of cash there?

I think the Chinese will probably deal with the problem of aging population in a coldly "pragmatic" fashion.

This assumes no radical cultural change through exposure to outside influences.

 

[steverino]

Well would you go to a strangers family if you were bachelor male and just look after some old people for the rest of your life? Hahah I dont think so. Chinese depend on their child to look after them in old age, however if the one child is a girl then she will be married off, that means that you will be poor hungry and lonely in old age because there are no children to look after you, only two old disabled bodies. In the old days it wasnt a problem because the average female had 6 children, now it is only allowed one. You figure it out.


Regarding the pornography in China, theres a news article I found today on the Sydney Morning Herald website

"Chief of China's biggest Internet porn site jailed for life- A 28-year-old man who ran China's most popular pornographic website community with up to 600,000 members has been jailed for life."[/URL]

Hey. Wait a second. I never said anything about Chinese porn!

 

[Dave1001]

I had a friend of mine comment recently about what China will be like in twenty years' time - one billion people, all only children. Ugh.

I've read China is likely to be the first country to become old before it becomes rich.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Hey. Wait a second. I never said anything about Chinese porn!

"Chief of China's biggest Internet porn site jailed for life- A 28-year-old man who ran China's most popular pornographic website community with up to 600,000 members has been jailed for life."

Silly Chinese government, don't they know what the internet is for?

DR

 

[Beerina]

I had a friend of mine comment recently about what China will be like in twenty years' time - one billion people, all only children. Ugh.

Worse than that will be 50 million men who can't get a wife. 50 million angry men, in a country with a reasonably powerful economy and a billion and a half people. You do the math.