Cheney's votes against MLK Day and Nelson Mandella.

Tmy

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Edwards thru this in his face during the VP debate. Did he ever explain why he voted against MLK day and a resolution to free Mandella???? Id like to hear the reasoning.

And the republicans wonder why they have so much trouble courting the black vote.
 
Refresh my memory. Didn't MLK day replace Washington's b-day?
 
Tony said:
Refresh my memory. Didn't MLK day replace Washington's b-day?

Lol. In some parts of the South we have "Lee-Jackson-King Day", which honors Robert E Lee, Martin Luther King Jr, and either Andrew Jackson or Stonewall Jackson (I forget which) all at once!

The irony is thick enough to eat. I hope future generations will one day celebrate "Stalin-Reagan Day".
 
Tony said:
Refresh my memory. Didn't MLK day replace Washington's b-day?

WE still have Presidents day (Washington and Lincoln bdays)

I couldnt belive all the resentment around MLK day. Its a freaking holiday! Whos against holidays!??!
 
Tmy said:
I couldnt belive all the resentment around MLK day. Its a freaking holiday! Whos against holidays!??!

My former employer. Seemed to think this "Thanksgiving" thing was something I'd invented just to get out of work.

Of course, I did try to take a Thursday in July....
 
Tmy said:
Edwards thru this in his face during the VP debate. Did he ever explain why he voted against MLK day and a resolution to free Mandella???? Id like to hear the reasoning.
I loved that moment, especially since it came up in response to vote parsing.

I well remember the last pathetic handful of apartheid apologists, such as future VP Dick Cheney.
 
Tmy said:
WE still have Presidents day (Washington and Lincoln bdays)

I couldnt belive all the resentment around MLK day. Its a freaking holiday! Whos against holidays!??!

I would have voted against it too. MLK needs to be a NEW holiday, not just a renaming of a previous one. We got jipped.
 
It was new. Its in January, Presidents day is February.

Most of the anti-mlk movement was based in racism. I really doubt that Veterns Day faced as much opposition.
 
Im not exaclty sure. I thought that Wash and Links B-days used to be 2 separate holidays (Both in February). They then combined the 2 to form Presidents day and then moved the vactant holiday spot to January for Presidents day. Same # of holidays.

Anyone else remember how it went down?
 
It's different in every state. Virgina is a mess, because of "Lee Jackson King Day". Turns out it's for Stonewall, after all. Two Confederates and MLK get the same day. Cute. They talk about splitting it into two separate holidays, but they haven't yet.

http://www.cavalierdaily.com/lead.asp?pid=519
History sheds some light on the coming about of this strange holiday. In 1890 the General Assembly created a holiday to honor Lee's Jan. 19 birthday. In 1984 the Assembly added Jackson's name (his birthday was Jan. 21). In 1978, the Assembly passed a law calling for a Jan. 1 memorial holiday in honor of King. Finally, in 1984, all three holidays were moved to the third Monday in January, to coincide with the federal holiday.
 
Tmy said:
Im not exaclty sure. I thought that Wash and Links B-days used to be 2 separate holidays (Both in February). They then combined the 2 to form Presidents day and then moved the vactant holiday spot to January for Presidents day. Same # of holidays.

Anyone else remember how it went down?

Either way, we're still getting jipped.
 
MLK day is the first politicized holiday -- i.e., steam-rollered through for mostly political purposes. Is there a day for historical american giants such as Madison? Jefferson? MLK ranks above them? Don't think so.
 
Patrick said:
Is there a day for historical american giants such as Madison? Jefferson? MLK ranks above them? Don't think so.

Uhh yeah..........PRESIDENTS DAY.
 
Tmy said:
I couldnt belive all the resentment around MLK day. Its a freaking holiday! Whos against holidays!??!
Not me. It's another paid day off for me and the approximately 2 million other civilian federal employees. If you figure your average fed makes, oh, say $20 an hour (= about $40K per year), that works out to about $320 million a paid federal holiday costs in salary.

I get paid for the holiday. You get to pay it. Lest you complain that I am not grateful, allow me to say "Thank you very much."
 
BPSCG said:
that works out to about $320 million a paid federal holiday costs in salary.

Its a sunk cost. Its not like fed employees do anything EVEN WHEN they are at work.:p


Just think,all those day off employees go shopping and sking. THe extra taxes generated mean MORE money to the govt.
 
BPSCG said:
Not me. It's another paid day off for me and the approximately 2 million other civilian federal employees. If you figure your average fed makes, oh, say $20 an hour (= about $40K per year), that works out to about $320 million a paid federal holiday costs in salary.

I get paid for the holiday. You get to pay it. Lest you complain that I am not grateful, allow me to say "Thank you very much."

A lot of state emplyees and quasi-state employees (like me) get the day off as well, although my life is such that I have worked through it before and didn't realize until like noon that I was the only person in the building (I have a quiet job)....

But Tmy has a point. Most government employees are not production based and virtually zero are net income producers, so giving them a day off may in the end save more in office expense (electricity, water, and so forth) then it costs in productivity.

Government is a weird industry that way.

More importantly, these days off can be seen as negotiated for as part of the employment contract when one decides to work for the government, so it may be a wash in the end anyway...
 
You're forgetting the most important thing. The quality of life benefit of having a day off!!!! Its not all about $$$ and production.

Do you think the country would be better off if we eliminated all holidays? Dont we work enough.
 
Suddenly said:
More importantly, these days off can be seen as negotiated for as part of the employment contract when one decides to work for the government, so it may be a wash in the end anyway...
IIRC (and it's quite possible that I don't), the MLK became a federal holiday right around the same time they refigured how federal salaries should be computed. When I started working for Uncle in 1975, your hourly rate was computed as the salary for your grade divided by 2,080, on the rationale that there were 2,080 hours in a work year (40 x 52). Your gross biweekly pay then was calculated as the hourly rate x 80. For example, if your grade paid a salary of $20,800/year, the hourly rate was $10.00, and your biweekly pay was $10.00 x 80 = $800.00.

Well, some beancounter noted that there were actually slightly more than 52 weeks in a year, 52-1/7, to be exact. So they adjusted the pay computation to divide your yearly rate by 2,087 hours, rather than 2,080. So your $20,800 yearly now became $9.97 per hour, and your biweekly pay became $9.97 x 80, or $797.60. You'd lose about $62.40 per year in pay as a result, the equivalent of a little less than a day's pay.

It was never actually said out loud that I recall, but I believe the MLK holiday was passed as part of a compromise that involved this very small pay cut. Give the GS'ers another holiday, but cut their pay by a sliver.
 
Now if you don't like black people, that's one thing, but what I can't understand is why people in a hot-ass desert town like Tucson, Arizona wouldn't want a day off work. It's not like you have to do something black on that day. You don't have to ready Ebony magazine, you don't have to watch Soul Train, all you have to do is not work.

- Chris Rock

(Yes, I know entertainers should stay out of politics, I just thought it was funny.)
 

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