Cheney knew Pentagon, or DC, were targeted

[Mutton-Head]

I have to thank Gravy for helping to clarify this,
(Thanks Gravy)

In Respect to the conversation involving Vice President Cheney on 9/11, that Transportation Secretary Mineta heard in the PEOC (edit)
"The plane is 50 miles out..."
"The plane is 30 miles out..."
"The plane is 10 miles out..."

I had asserted that Cheney knew AA77 was going to hit the pentagon. Gravy pointed out that it could have been any target in DC. But, that's still a big problem. Because that means that Cheney knew that some target in DC was going to be hit. If the plane was traveling it's max 500 mph speed, then he knew for at least 6 1/2 minutes. Yet no warning was issued to any of the possible targets in DC. Not the White House, or the Capital, or the Pentagon.

 

[I'll_buy_that]

I'm sorry if i missed anything here, but... Link please?

is there a recording with timestamp?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I have to thank Gravy for helping to clarify this,
(Thanks Gravy)

In Respect to the conversation involving Vice President Cheney on 9/11, that Transportation Secretary Mineta heard in the PEOC (edit)
"The plane is 50 miles out..."
"The plane is 30 miles out..."
"The plane is 10 miles out..."

I had asserted that Cheney knew AA77 was going to hit the pentagon. Gravy pointed out that it could have been any target in DC. But, that's still a big problem. Because that means that Cheney knew that some target in DC was going to be hit. If the plane was traveling it's max 500 mph speed, then he knew for at least 6 1/2 minutes. Yet no warning was issued to any of the possible targets in DC. Not the White House, or the Capital, or the Pentagon.

Please provide evidence that the plane referenced in the comments was AA77. Please provide evidence showing what the zero point was from which the plane was X miles out. Also, if the plane was AA77, its max speed was not 500 mph but rather

Cruising speed 540 mph (868 km/h) 530 knots (982 km/h)

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_757#757-200

 

[Mutton-Head]

I'm sorry if i missed anything here, but... Link please?

is there a recording with timestamp?

http://www.911truthmovement.org/video/hamilton_win.wmv

http://www.911truthmovement.org/video/roemer_win.wmv

timestamp irrelevent.

 

[Abbyas]

Please provide proof that the plane being discussed was aa77.

 

[Crispy Duck]

Cruising speed 540 mph (868 km/h) 530 knots (982 km/h)

I don't want to lend any support to nutters like Mutton-Head, but on a point of fact, the above quote from Wikipedia is inaccurate. Miles-per-hour is roughly knots+15%; ie 100kts = 115mph. Therefore, 540mph = 470kts, or, if you prefer to trust the knots airspeed, 530kts = 609mph. The higher km/h figure appears to have been calculated from the correct mph figure.

Quoting Wikipedia doesn't always add credibility (No offense meant, Ark)

Edit to add...: In fact, obviously, there should only be one km/h figure. It's not at all clear what the Wikipedia article is trying to convey. In any case, the main point remains that Mutton-Head's figure of 500mph max for a B757 was hopelessly inaccurate, which is to be expected, I guess.

The figure of interest is the Vne, or 'never exceed speed', above which there is a risk of control surface flutter, structural failures, etc. Even then, there is a safety margin above Vne before ill-effects become inevitable. Hijackers in a hurry, with thousands of feet of altitude to trade in, could comfortably push the speed up to Vne. I haven't found the Vne for the 757, after a very brief look.

 

[R.Mackey]

"Cheney knew Pentagon, or DC, were[sic] targeted"

Another day, another non-sequitur thread from Mutton-Head...

What are you complaining about this time? That Cheney "therefore" masterminded the attacks, or merely that ordinary residents of DC should have been warned earlier?

Perhaps Cheney merely assumed, from what he was told, that DC was the target. How would you distinguish between this and him "knowing" that was the case? If you cannot, then your theory, like the others, is DOA.

 

[Mutton-Head]

Perhaps Cheney merely assumed, from what he was told, that DC was the target. How would you distinguish between this and him "knowing" that was the case? If you cannot, then your theory, like the others, is DOA.

Assumption or knowledge, he was correct.
He was tracking AA77, knew or assumed where it was headed, and did/said nothing.
He knew it was "50 miles out..." And then when it was 0 miles out it crashed.

 

[Mutton-Head]

Please provide evidence that the plane referenced in the comments was AA77. Please provide evidence showing what the zero point was from which the plane was X miles out. Also, if the plane was AA77, its max speed was not 500 mph but rather source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_757#757-200

Whether or not it was AA77 is not the point.
The point is, Cheney was monitoring a plane that was "50 miles out..."
He had determined that the plane was 50 miles from something.
When the plane was 0 miles out, it crashed.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Whether or not it was AA77 is not the point.
The point is, Cheney was monitoring a plane that was "50 miles out..."
He had determined that the plane was 50 miles from something.
When the plane was 0 miles out, it crashed.

Evidence?

 

[Pardalis]

Because that means that Cheney knew that some target in DC was going to be hit.

Of course he knew something was going to be hit, that's because both towers of the WTC had been already hit and other planes were reported highjacked.

If the plane was traveling it's max 500 mph speed, then he knew for at least 6 1/2 minutes. Yet no warning was issued to any of the possible targets in DC. Not the White House, or the Capital, or the Pentagon.

Are you sure no one was evacuated? Do you have evidence that up to this point neither the White House, the Capitol, nor the Pentagon were not being evacuated?

 

[Bob Klase]

Because that means that Cheney knew that some target in DC was going to be hit.

Since the WTC had already been hit, I think only a complete moron wouldn't have figured out that a hijacked plane heading toward DC was planningn to hit something there.

f the plane was traveling it's max 500 mph speed, then he knew for at least 6 1/2 minutes. Yet no warning was issued to any of the possible targets in DC. Not the White House, or the Capital, or the Pentagon.

Even granting that anything you assume is correct, exactly how much would have been accomplished in that 6 1/2 minutes? (Answer- not much).

 

[roger]

This is ridiculous.

Everybody knows it was a missle that hit the pentagon.

 

[karim]

No it was a shoulder fired cruise missile followed by a globalhawk followed by a drone aircraft made to look like a passenger jet. They were all guided by the line on the Pentagon lawn.

Fight the NewWordOrder

 

[Mutton-Head]

Of course he knew something was going to be hit, that's because both towers of the WTC had been already hit and other planes were reported highjacked.

But Cheney had a specific destination in mind. The quote was, "The plane is 50 miles out..." So they knew it was 50 miles away from something, headed to that something. If they thought the plane was headed for NYC, they would have said 500 miles, instead of 50. (Or whatever the distance to NYC actually is, if any one wants to Google it.)

Are you sure no one was evacuated? Do you have evidence that up to this point neither the White House, the Capitol, nor the Pentagon were not being evacuated?

Absolutely no warning was given to the Pentagon.

How, in any sane mind, could any one be monitoring a plane, 50 miles from the Pentagon, heading towards the Pentagon, after two planes have hit the WTC, and not issue a warning to the Pentagon?

This is not reasonable, in the real world.

 

[Mutton-Head]

Since the WTC had already been hit, I think only a complete moron wouldn't have figured out that a hijacked plane heading toward DC was planningn to hit something there.

Exactly, yes, thank you

Even granting that anything you assume is correct, exactly how much would have been accomplished in that 6 1/2 minutes? (Answer- not much).

So do nothing?!

Sorry, not reasonable

 

[Pardalis]

But Cheney had a specific destination in mind.

How do you know what was in his mind?

The quote was, "The plane is 50 miles out..." So they knew it was 50 miles away from something, headed to that something.

These 'somethings' could be anything, it could be scrambled jets or the highjacked planes, or anything else.

Absolutely no warning was given to the Pentagon.

How do you know that?

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

But Cheney had a specific destination in mind. The quote was, "The plane is 50 miles out..." So they knew it was 50 miles away from something, headed to that something. If they thought the plane was headed for NYC, they would have said 500 miles, instead of 50. (Or whatever the distance to NYC actually is, if any one wants to Google it.)

Being 50 miles from DC doesn't really narrow down a target. You've got the White House, the Capitol, and the Pentagon, just to name the big three.

Then there's the Treasury, the Supreme Court, the State Department, the FBI offices...

But why not a symbolic target? The Smithsonian, the Library of Congress, any of various monuments and memorials...

Give us your wondrous plan to safeguard all these (and many more) locations in six and a half minutes.

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

Whoops. Your 6 1/2 minutes are up. Target destroyed.

 

[Pardalis]

Whoops. Your 6 1/2 minutes are up. Target destroyed.

Good one