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Chavez vs the USA

Alferd_Packer said:
When will this happen?

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Googling "Chavez blames USA for" gives a rather nice picture of his policy. It seems rather similar to treatment of Jews which was very popular at one time or another in various parts of the world.

Mchrozni
 
Yeah!!! It is hard to see why this Chavez guy has any problem with the US. After all we have done for the Venezuelan people over the years you'd think he would show some respect. Why don't we march right down there and give them some of that good old democracy, that we have been blessing the rest of the world with for the past century. He called the great GW Bush the devil and said he smelled like a fart!! I've about had it with this tyrant. We're gettin' soft!
 
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Dandyone said:
Yeah!!! It is hard to see why this Chavez guy has any problem with the US. After all we have done for the Venezuelan people over the years you'd think he would show some respect. Why don't march right down there and give them the old "Democracy Treatment", that we have been blessing the rest of the world with for the past century. He called the great GW Bush the devil and said he smelled like a fart!! I've about had it with this tyrant. We're gettin' soft!
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What is it with these people that think because the government in the us is effed, that it is okay to blame them for anything from the plague, to 9/11 to bloody hangnails.

I am no defender of the us government, it has done some stupid and sometimes horrid things, but by agreeing with anyone who hates them just because they hate they, you cheapen the real complaints people have.
 
Dandyone said:
Yeah!!! It is hard to see why this Chavez guy has any problem with the US. After all we have done for the Venezuelan people over the years you'd think he would show some respect. Why don't we march right down there and give them some of that good old democracy, that we have been blessing the rest of the world with for the past century. He called the great GW Bush the devil and said he smelled like a fart!! I've about had it with this tyrant. We're gettin' soft!
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sadhatter said:
What is it with these people that think because the government in the us is effed, that it is okay to blame them for anything from the plague, to 9/11 to bloody hangnails.

I am no defender of the us government, it has done some stupid and sometimes horrid things, but by agreeing with anyone who hates them just because they hate they, you cheapen the real complaints people have.
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When you invade dozens of countries, back several murderous military coups and terrorize and kill countless millions of people over a half a century, whenever something goes wrong people will point the finger at you. It doesn't seem fair, but sadly, that's just the way it goes.
 
Dandyone said:
When you invade dozens of countries, back several murderous military coups and terrorize and kill countless millions of people over a half a century, whenever something goes wrong people will point the finger at you. It doesn't seem fair, but sadly, that's just the way it goes.
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So why is China not blamed for the whatever?

McHrozni
 
Dandyone said:
When you invade dozens of countries, back several murderous military coups and terrorize and kill countless millions of people over a half a century, whenever something goes wrong people will point the finger at you. It doesn't seem fair, but sadly, that's just the way it goes.
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The way it goes?

Yes i agree people do look for scapegoats, and are quick to place blame at the easiest place, but you have 2 choices. Either you can be a follower, and do this as well because it is easier, or you can use your own brain and make your own decisions.

And if you chose the second option, then you have the benefit of not coming off as an angry young man wanting to blame authority for any problems. But its a free country, no one is forcing you to think.
 
Dandyone said:
When you invade dozens of countries, back several murderous military coups and terrorize and kill countless millions of people over a half a century, whenever something goes wrong people will point the finger at you. It doesn't seem fair, but sadly, that's just the way it goes.
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The US did not kill "countless millions". That was the Soviets and the Chinese as well as the Serbs, the Vietnamese, the Khmer Rouge, the Interahamwe, the Bosnian Serbs among other totalitarian and hatred built movements.

and the us sid not invade "dozens of countries". That has to be as plausible as sealion.

And to be fair, your first post was a really trollish one.

And "Blame america First" mentality was actually started by the KGB with the Active Measures group promoting disinformation (with 1bn USD alone on the vietnam war alone.)
 
sadhatter said:
The way it goes?

Yes i agree people do look for scapegoats, and are quick to place blame at the easiest place, but you have 2 choices. Either you can be a follower, and do this as well because it is easier, or you can use your own brain and make your own decisions.

And if you chose the second option, then you have the benefit of not coming off as an angry young man wanting to blame authority for any problems. But its a free country, no one is forcing you to think.
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I'm not sure I would call what Chavez does "scapegoating". He hates the US policy makers because he feels that they have illegally tried to usurp his power as the duly elected leader of his country. He also believes that there have been attempts to murder him that were CIA induced. Perhaps he has talked to family members of Salvador Allende or one of the several other elected former leaders in his region that have been murdered. What I am saying is that perhaps he is not just some paranoid nut case and that his fears are based on reality. That's another way YOU could look at it.

As far as earthquakes being caused by other than natural means, the jury is out on whether or not this could be carried out. However if it could, and there was any sort of political reason for causing a genocidal, destructive and disruptive earthquake, naturally, for many reasons, THE prime suspect from any intelligent South or Central American leaders perspective would be the US and the CIA.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
The US did not kill "countless millions". That was the Soviets and the Chinese as well as the Serbs, the Vietnamese, the Khmer Rouge, the Interahamwe, the Bosnian Serbs among other totalitarian and hatred built movements.

and the us sid not invade "dozens of countries". That has to be as plausible as sealion.

And to be fair, your first post was a really trollish one.

And "Blame america First" mentality was actually started by the KGB with the Active Measures group promoting disinformation (with 1bn USD alone on the vietnam war alone.)
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"Blame America First". LOL, who am I engaging, Bill O'reilly or Sean Hannity? What a joke!! Your post is like the scroll on a Fox News broadcast. Talk about trolling.

Dozens of countries have been invaded either by US troops directly or CIA infiltrators who have funded illegal takeovers of elected governments world wide since WWII. And since the demise of Hitler and Stalin our government is #1 in killing people world wide.

Several milliions killed in Viet Nam, Cambodia, Laos, Central America, and now over a million and counting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan....
 
Dandyone said:
"Blame America First". LOL, who am I engaging, Bill O'reilly or Sean Hannity? What a joke!! Your post is like the scroll on a Fox News broadcast. Talk about trolling.
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No, read the Mitrokhin archive, and you will know what i am talking about.

Who am i talking to here? Ward Churchill? Look in the mirror before you associate me with Bill o reilly or hannity.

Did you even read the articles i linked to?

Dozens of countries have been invaded either by US troops directly or CIA infiltrators who have funded illegal takeovers of elected governments world wide since WWII. And since the demise of Hitler and Stalin our government is #1 in killing people world wide.
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What about the dozens of countries infiltrated by KGB agents or invaded by Soviet troops who forced illegal takeovers of elected governments worldwide since World War II? It was the Cold War and in Fact, Allende was linked to the Eastern Bloc.

So Interahamwe Rwanda, Bosnian Serb genocide of muslims, Cambodian Year zero, the Chinese Cultural revolution, Idi Amin's Ugana, Nguema's Equitorial Guinea, Haile Meingitsu's reign in ethiopia, the Sudan Genocide and the North Vietnamese Purges all never took place then?

Several milliions killed in Viet Nam, Cambodia, Laos, Central America, and now over a million and counting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan....
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Mostly by the communists in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Central America in their stalinesque purges or their bloodbaths in attempts at taking over.

And the death toll in the current conflict is round ~125k. Nasty, but far less than what you believe. Even then, most of the deaths are due to the Taliban/baathists.
 
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NWO Sentryman said:
No, read the Mitrokhin archive, and you will know what i am talking about.

Who am i talking to here? Ward Churchill? Look in the mirror before you associate me with Bill o reilly or hannity.

Did you even read the articles i linked to?



What about the dozens of countries infiltrated by KGB agents or invaded by Soviet troops who forced illegal takeovers of elected governments worldwide since World War II? It was the Cold War and in Fact, Allende was linked to the Eastern Bloc.

So Interahamwe Rwanda, Bosnian Serb genocide of muslims, Cambodian Year zero, the Chinese Cultural revolution, Idi Amin's Ugana, Nguema's Equitorial Guinea, Haile Meingitsu's reign in ethiopia, the Sudan Genocide and the North Vietnamese Purges all never took place then?



Mostly by the communists in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Central America in their stalinesque purges or their bloodbaths in attempts at taking over.

And the death toll in the current conflict is round ~125k. Nasty, but far less than what you believe. Even then, most of the deaths are due to the Taliban/baathists.
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We are getting off the topic here. As far as the US vs USSR phony cold war, it's the same as the new phony war on terror crap. Same Rothschild-Rockefeller-British Royals supported the USSR for the first part of the 20th century. CIA-KGB worked hand in hand throughout the rest of the 20th century to make sure that NO indigenous people controlled their own rescources or governments. If we would have listened to Patton & MacArthur there would have been no USSR or Red China. If you care to notice, todays "Neo-Cons" are remnants of pro commies of the '50s and '60s and their offspring. Check out the background of that smarmy little scum Bill Kristol, or the once Ward Churchill like Michael Medved, Bernie Goldberg, or Norman Podhoritz. That is for another thread.

As far as Chavez goes, he is just another indiginous Patriot who would like foriegn corporations to stay out of local politics. The same was true of Allende, and is true today of Evo Morales. Anyone who won't let international corporations control the natural rescources of a third world country is painted as a Marxist and then attacked. That has been happening for decades starting with Mosedeq in Iran, and who ever got in the way of United Fruit in Central America. The left right crap is just a con game and always has been. Same forces control both sides of the illusion. I read your links and they are the same tired old neo-crap that can be seen and heard every day on Fox News and talk radio. You are not revealing any new info here.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
What Dandy meant to say here is "Wow, I just got WTFPWNED".
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If you want to start a thread about US military incursions and their death tolls since the end of WWII, go ahead. This thread is about Hugo Chavez, and the possibility of man caused earthquakes. Your partner was taking it into the old Commie vs Amerika debate, which could go on forever. For the record, I didn't support the USSRs aggression on third world nations any more that I support the USAs aggression toward them and again I believe that they were simply two sides of the same globalist coin. No one got WTFPNED.
 
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