Charles Manson follower denied parole again

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"The 63-year-old Van Houten addressed the board during her 20th parole hearing. Hours later the California parole board announced they had denied Houten’s release.
"I know I did something that is unforgivable, but I can create a world where I make amends," Van Houten said. "I'm trying to be someone who lives a life for healing rather than destruction."


About Manson:


"He could never have done what he did without people like me," said Van Houten, who has been in custody for 44 years."




Too bad, so sad.:cool:
 
Good. After reading about the murdered escort, I needed to see that. She can stay in prison 'til she turns to dust.
 
The best part is that Manson has stopped going to parole hearings, saying that his home is jail, and that's fortunately where he will stay till he dies. He stays in a special solitary cell, 23 hours a day.....
 
So odd for me, but I actually have a visceral reaction to this woman, Susan Atkins and Jodi Arias. I think they should have been executed. I don't normally agree with the death penalty but for these chicks yep.

I think I shifted into thinking that way when the Manson girls started trying to get parole. They say that they have changed enough to understand the horror of their crimes, but the fact that they keep trying to get out just seems to indicate that they really have no understanding at all.
 
but the fact that they keep trying to get out just seems to indicate that they really have no understanding at all.
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Okay. I agree with you there. Somehow, some small part of me thinks they should recognize the world is better off without them in it, and just agree prison is the best place for them.
 
I feel bad for them. They aren't the same people they were.... but then again.... I'm not too upset they aren't getting out.
 
Angrysoba, you're correct. I don't know who the other players were that received the death penalty, but I know at least Manson did.
 
angrysoba said:
My understanding is that some of them (Manson, certainly, maybe others) were sentenced to death but because the US abolished the death penalty, their sentences were commuted to life.
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That's exactly why they piss me off. They got a second life. Even if they are stuck in jail forever, it's a free life.
 
I believe Atkins, Van Houten, and Watson received the death penalty as well (IIRC). Manson was saying even during the trial that he felt more at home in jail than elsewhere. By the way, I thought Helter Skelter (Bugliosi) was a pretty good book - I've read it twice, once in paperback and once in ebook form.
 
No. No. They should never get out. I remember feeling angry when the death penalty changed. I'm sorry that things are so comfy for Manson he feels at home. He deserves so much less.

I had met and spent some time with Sharon Tate almost exactly a year before she was tortured and murdered. I still can't think of the details, the end of the lives that group of people had endured while being murdered by those monsters.

No. Prison. Rot. Suffer.
 
Sharon Tate was buried with her dead son in her arms. That baby never had the opportunity for even one day of life. All the remaining Manson Family members should rot in prison....so sorry that the taxpayers of California have to pay for it.
 
KatieG said:
Not for mitigation, but Leslie Van Houten did not participate in the Tate murders.
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You are correct, she didn't kill Sharon Tate. She stabbed Rosemary LaBianca 15-20 times. She should rot in prison.
 
I don't believe the Manson killers (Van Houten, Watson, Krenwinkel, Bobby Beausoleil, Manson) will ever be released on parole. There are certain crimes that the people of California are not prepared to forgive, ever. They didn't even release Atkins when she was an old woman paralyzed with a massive brain tumor.

I don't like Sirhan Sirhan's chances of ever getting released, either. Or Ed Kemper's.
 
truethat said:
I think I shifted into thinking that way when the Manson girls started trying to get parole. They say that they have changed enough to understand the horror of their crimes, but the fact that they keep trying to get out just seems to indicate that they really have no understanding at all.
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Have you read Catch-22?
 
truethat said:
Long enough ago to have forgotten it.
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From Wikipedia's article:
There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one's safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he were sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle. (p. 56, ch. 5)
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You seem to be implying that if they apply for parole, then they shouldn't get it because they have applied for it.
 
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Mojo said:
From Wikipedia's article:


You seem to be implying that if they apply for parole, then they shouldn't get it because they have applied for it.
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That's exactly right. :cool: Never thought of it that way, but yep.




In case you were wondering. The joke was that if he was smart enough to figure out that doing this stunt might get him out, he definitely wasn't insane.

Maxwell Klinger[edit]
Klinger
M*A*S*H character


Corporal (later Sergeant) Maxwell Q. Klinger is a fictional character from the M*A*S*H television series played by American actor Jamie Farr. Despite the writers giving him a Jewish-sounding name, he is a Lebanese American hailing from Toledo, Ohio (like Farr himself), Klinger serves as an orderly/corpsman (and later company clerk) assigned to the 4077th Mobile Army Surgical Hospital in [usually] Uijeongbu during the Korean War. The character's original defining characteristic is his attempts to gain a Section 8 psychiatric discharge from the army, by habitually wearing women's clothing and engaging in other "crazy" stunts, but never at the expense of his duties. He later gives up his discharge attempts (after a lecture from Colonel Sherman Potter, explaining how a Section 8 Discharge would adversely affect his life) and is promoted from the rank of corporal to sergeant during the course of the TV series
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I feel for Van Houten. And I do think she was out of her mind when she participated. I also don't, from what I've seen, think she actually killed the woman. I think she just stabbed her afterward. But her repeated attempts at appeal indicate to me that she has not really taken on the enormity of what she did. It was such a horrific crime and scarred this country.

The fact that she would ask to be paroled shows her lack of understanding but also her selfishness. However, if some weird thing were to happen and by some automatic glitch they had to parole her, I'd hope she had a peaceful life outside. It's very sad to think of someone spending their entire life in prison.
 
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