Charles@LGF stands by Mr. Schiavo

[RussDill]

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=15186_Todays_Schiavo_Thread&only=yes

My opinion is that it’s singularly unwise for the federal government to become involved in what should be a private matter between the families and their doctors. If I seem reluctant to write about this, it’s because I am. I’ve had personal experience of similar situations (which will remain private), and I’m extremely uncomfortable with the idea of passing judgment on any of the people involved in this case—and extremely turned off by the media swarm.

Is there finally a rift between socially moderate conservatives and the religious right emerging over this issue? I really hope so. It's about time that conservatism is seen as seperate from religious fundamentalism.

 

[a_unique_person]

I can see it now, "What's a Terri swarm".

Not.

 

[Mycroft]

I really don't see this as a liberal/conservative issue. While I understand the parallels with the abortion issue, to me it's purely a medical ethics issue.

Having said that, Charles has repeatedly described himself as a liberal who had a change of heart after 9/11. It makes sense if he’s still liberal on social/domestic issues even if he’s become conservative on issues of foreign policy.

 

[Art Vandelay]

I'm not particularly familiar with him. Is he particularly representative of LGF views? Seems a bit odd to make sweeping statements based on one poster's views.

 

[Mycroft]

I'm not particularly familiar with him. Is he particularly representative of LGF views? Seems a bit odd to make sweeping statements based on one poster's views.

LGF is a blog, Charles is the owner.

 

[The Fool]

LGF is the website of a guy who has built a loyal following of people with a time honoured mixture of selective news coverage and hate. Simple answer are offered to people who thrive on simple answers... Of course, the bigots he attracts are not his fault any more than the presence of rats are the fault of someone who throws bits of cheese into dark corners.

http://www.drmenlo.com/lgfquiz/

 

[RussDill]

LGF is the website of a guy who has built a loyal following of people with a time honoured mixture of selective news coverage and hate. Simple answer are offered to people who thrive on simple answers... Of course, the bigots he attracts are not his fault any more than the presence of rats are the fault of someone who throws bits of cheese into dark corners.

http://www.drmenlo.com/lgfquiz/

wow, another site that has managed to collect a few morsels out of 1.5 million uncensored user submitted comments.I think I'm going to go make a site with a quiz showing how JREF is a hate site.

 

[a_unique_person]

There is no comparison between JREF and LGF. LGF only has topics approved by Charles, is largely a back slapping hate site, with only a token number of dissenters. Eg, the thread you cite only took about five posts to make a snide remark about Palestinians, and gets a high five. Someone else made a snide remark about Israel, and back peddals so fast you could smell the rubber.

JREF offers topics from all points of view, and offers responses similarly.

Your OP indicates exactly the difference between JREF and LGF, in that you are so surprised there has been a topic that has generated an actual differenc of opinion.

 

[The Fool]

wow, another site that has managed to collect a few morsels out of 1.5 million uncensored user submitted comments.I think I'm going to go make a site with a quiz showing how JREF is a hate site.

Please do...please find me some examples on JREF like the content that riddles lgf.. I have no doubt you may find some posts on Jref, "skeptics" rants about palestinians are still all here, you will also find the response they got from other posters....Maybe you could also show me the same examples of lgf posters smacking down this bigotry?

Don't get me wrong Russ, I am not suggesting you are a Charles minion....But to suggest bigotry and hatred directed at muslims and Arabs is "a few morsals" of the content of this site is simply unsustainable. Its the key theme and foundation of the place.....Can you imagine such posts being allowed to float through to the catcher on JREF?

He is a one trick pony but he's no Idiot, he knows what buttons to push to attract followers. Simple answers for people who thrive on them.

Try this simple test....wherever you read comments about muslims substitute jews and you are instantly transported to stormfront and jewwatch... Its no different and it makes me feel ill.

 

[Mycroft]

Originally posted by The Fool
Can you imagine such posts being allowed to float through to the catcher on JREF?

I can. In fact, I'm usually the one floating them.

You're logical disconnect is you can't tell the difference between attacking Islam that promotes hatred and violence and attacking all Muslims.

Islam really is a religion of peace, as practiced by most Muslims. However, when that religion is used to justify murder, violence against women or anti-Semitism, we can say "Religion of Peace" in the ironic sense, in the exact same way someone might point out the irony of pro-life Christians supporting the death penalty.

While you focus on where violent or hateful Muslims are exposed, you ignore where moderate, reformist or pro-Democracy Muslims are praised. I believe your real issue with LGF is that it’s an effective proponent of political views opposed to your own.

 

[rikzilla]

Please do...please find me some examples on JREF like the content that riddles lgf.. I have no doubt you may find some posts on Jref, "skeptics" rants about palestinians are still all here, you will also find the response they got from other posters....Maybe you could also show me the same examples of lgf posters smacking down this bigotry?

It's obviously an apples and oranges comparison, Fool. JREF is a site that focuses on debunking purveyors of the "paranormal". LGF is a site which focuses on the Arab media in ways the MSM cannot and will not because of their unhealthy attachment to political correctness.

There are likely lots of posts on JREF that make fun of, villify, and even demonize psychics, quacks, and their credulous victims. This would be roughly equivalent to the "hateful" comments on LGF that you so self-righteously take issue with.

Don't get me wrong Russ, I am not suggesting you are a Charles minion....But to suggest bigotry and hatred directed at muslims and Arabs is "a few morsals" of the content of this site is simply unsustainable. Its the key theme and foundation of the place.....Can you imagine such posts being allowed to float through to the catcher on JREF?

You simply have not had the moral fortitude to properly examine LGF. You skim straight to the many idiot comments then call the well poisoned, and yourself too ill for further reading. How convenient. The facts, if you cared to check them out, show that Charles and many of his commenters cheered the Iraqi people in their act of voting,...and jeered the Iraqi-jihadi insurgency for their barbarism. Nowhere, outside the bigotted minority, were there comments that villified Arabs no matter what their actions.

He is a one trick pony but he's no Idiot, he knows what buttons to push to attract followers. Simple answers for people who thrive on them.

You should give examples of this if you can. The above is merely an unsupported opinion you hold.

Try this simple test....wherever you read comments about muslims substitute jews and you are instantly transported to stormfront and jewwatch... Its no different and it makes me feel ill.

We already do that all the time....with you and AUP's comments.

-z

 

[The Fool]

We already do that all the time....with you and AUP's comments.

-z

find a single example, coward.

Find a single example of my comments about jews. Come on ricky, why do you always let cowardice stop you? Its a simple request....Maybe if you get sick of searching you can use Sharansky, the paid mouthpiece of Sharon and turn critisism of likud into anti-semitism?

Ok Ricky, you have been asked to put up...time for you to do your usual vanishing act.


edited to add: I like your comparison between vilifying muslims and debunking believers....good one, have you thought of suggesting it to Charles? I'd suggest it myself but Charles already has all the pets he needs and won't let any one else join....Lol...

 

[Mycroft]

find a single example, coward.

Find a single example of my comments about jews. Come on ricky, why do you always let cowardice stop you? Its a simple request....Maybe if you get sick of searching you can use Sharansky, the paid mouthpiece of Sharon and turn critisism of likud into anti-semitism?

Does your calling Sharansky a paid mouthpiece of Sharon count?

Let's see...by the Fool logic, Sharanksy is Jewish, he wrote a book, he's a member of the Israeli government...it all ads up to paid mouthpiece!

When in fact Sharansky is often critical of the Sharon government. He has his own ideas on how peace should be created and it has very little to do with Sharon's plan.

How about your participation in the Talmud thread? IIRC, you quizzed Renata about the "bad parts" of the Talmud when the only evidence the Talmud had any "bad parts" had been from anti-Semitic forgeries. When she tried to point out that your sources were tainted, you threw a sissy fit and left.

Or how about your insistence that 60 year old political comments represent modern thought despite the fact you wouldn't apply that standard to any other government or political party?

Anyway, back to LGF.

Today’s page provides a couple of stories that illustrate my point. First, an incident in a Canadian Islamic school that’s rather disturbing; a young student writes a fantasy about Muslim men who kill lots of Jews and the story receives praise and encouragement from two of the teachers:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=15180_Islamic_Indoctrination_of_Children&only=yes

Anti-Islam? Only if you think every Muslim wants to encourage the killing of Jews, but if that were true the Islamic school wouldn’t have made a big deal out of the story. The teachers were suspended.

Second, a follow up to the same story, describing the outrage felt by one of the Islamic parents that such a thing could be encouraged in the school he sends his children to. He says, "This is not what I want from this school. We didn't have our daughter go here for this. I want to know how this could happen."

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=15199_No_Room_for_Hatred&only=yes

Now certainly in the unmoderated comments section there are ignorant people saying ignorant things. That is to be expected. But clearly the intent of presenting both these articles is very clear: condemnation for the Muslims who teach acceptance of hate but approval for the Muslims who reject hate and who want their children taught peace.

 

[The Fool]

Mycroft.
Much as I hate to give you the attention you crave, you have been following me around faithfully lately and probably deserve the occasional reply to keep you interested.

If you think you can help out ricky boy he's been asked, again, for actual examples ...unfortunately, pages of your opinions in a thread are not examples of what I have said and are not worth thier weight in electrons...get back to advertising hate sites, making child sex slurs and fabricating quotes...its what you are good at.

 

[Mycroft]

Mycroft...

Hey if you didn't really want examples you shouldn't have asked for them. If you prefer they come from Rik, maybe he can be talked into repeating them or comming up with new ones on his own.

The bottom line is you're prone to claim racism in your political opponents while ignoring your own.

 

[The Fool]

Hey if you didn't really want examples you shouldn't have asked for them. If you prefer they come from Rik, maybe he can be talked into repeating them or comming up with new ones on his own.

The bottom line is you're prone to claim racism in your political opponents while ignoring your own.

sigh...one more time eh?

I asked for examples. You provide none while talking as if you have....your opinion of what I meant means nothing, show me the words you base your libels on. Show me my racist statements.....genuine quotes please Mycroft, all contributions will be checked for fabrication .

I have provided examples each and every time I have levelled that accusation at anybody. At times I have been criticised for too many examples repeated too often....the score in reply is ZERO.....The concept of put up or shut up is completely alien to you.... I await your next excuse.

Last chance to make yourself relevant rather than background noise. Hell, why is it so hard? You hang around LGF you know what bigotry and racism looks like...have a go at finding some in my posts.

 

[Mycroft]

I asked for examples. You provide none while talking as if you have....your opinion of what I meant means nothing, show me the words you base your libels on. Show me my racist statements.....genuine quotes please Mycroft, all contributions will be checked for fabrication .

You're such a coward.

Respond to what I say or don't, but don't pretend I haven't provided examples when I have. You are as aware of these conversations as I am, you have all the information you need to defend your statements or not.

 

[The Fool]

You're such a coward.

Respond to what I say or don't, but don't pretend I haven't provided examples when I have. You are as aware of these conversations as I am, you have all the information you need to defend your statements or not.

An example of a racist statement by me starts with a quotation mark it then contains the actual words I typed and ends with another quotation mark. Need a clearer explanation of what is required? Your straw men and lies do not count as examples of what I said no matter how much you wish they did.

I remind you that I have nothing to defend until you finally decide what you think I said, It is your libel and as usual you have nothing to back it up...pathetic. Things are not so easy when skeptics ask you for examples is it Mycroft? You are confused and unsettled by it all...anyway, that was your last chance to remain relevant...further distractions, excuses and hand waving posts that don't contain examples of the racist statements you claim I have made will be ignored.

I blame myself actually, why did I ever imagine there was any point in asking you to support your usual lies?

 

[Mycroft]

An example of a racist statement by me starts with a quotation mark it then contains the actual words I typed and ends with another quotation mark.

Okay.

"Would any of the Jewish posters...like to comment on the extreme racism in sections of the Talmud?"

Wow. Not just ordinary racism, extreme racism. How do you know the Talmud is so racist?

"My belief that sections of the talmud are racist and intollerant comes from me, my ability to read and form opinions from what I read..."

And when asked again and again to cite where you found your reading material, you refused. Your only explanation:

"You ask me to provide examples of racism and intollerance in the Talmud, I refer you to your own links. They are rebutting that very proposition. The passages I have a problem with are just about all mentioned in there."

Her own links rebutting racist hate sites, implying that’s also where you got your information from...and chose to give it credibility.

P.S. Yikes! I just realized JREF is a hate site (by the Fool's definition)

 

[Abdul Alhazred]

LGF is basically a Zionist blog, with a bit of other stuff like this.

I suppose I ought to admit right now that I am seriously a Zionist sympathizer, though I don't endorse all the venom spewed at LGF.

To be fair, I'll say that the venom is not spewed by Charles Johnson himself, but maybe he encourages it.