Charity door knockers threaten to rape Perth residents

[Graham2001]

MSN: Charity Door Knockers Threaten to Rape Perth Residents

A group of door knockers working for charity have allegedly threatened to gang-rape a female neighbour when they were turned away from a Byford property on Monday evening.

The group have attended a number of Byford and Mundijong properties over the last week and have claimed to fundraise for Oxfam.

This is not good for Oxfam's image in Western Australia, while they say that the people involved work for a company called Global Interactive, I would have thought one or both would have used police checks on people involved in things like this.

 

[Nessie]

Phew! The other Perth.

 

[Darat]

MSN: Charity Door Knockers Threaten to Rape Perth Residents





This is not good for Oxfam's image in Western Australia, while they say that the people involved work for a company called Global Interactive, I would have thought one or both would have used police checks on people involved in things like this.

How do you know they don't?

 

[cullennz]

I think with Oxfam's recent cases of their staff committing child abuse and losing 500K a year in fraud, this isn't exactly surprising

 

[ddt]

MSN: Charity Door Knockers Threaten to Rape Perth Residents

This is not good for Oxfam's image in Western Australia, while they say that the people involved work for a company called Global Interactive, I would have thought one or both would have used police checks on people involved in things like this.

What surprises me is that Oxfam hires another company to do the door-to-door fundraising. Are these fundraisers volunteers or paid employees?

 

[Graham2001]

What surprises me is that Oxfam hires another company to do the door-to-door fundraising. Are these fundraisers volunteers or paid employees?

Same here, but then I realized that Charity is a big business, why else do you think the Sea Sheperds have their own Reality TV show and charity Op shops are re-inventing themselves as 'vintage clothing boutiques', donations no longer cover all the bills.

 

[The Atheist]

What surprises me is that Oxfam hires another company to do the door-to-door fundraising. Are these fundraisers volunteers or paid employees?

Almost all cold-call fundraising is done by contractors rather than the organisation itself. The logistics of having teams of people for short terms doesn't fit charities' ability in almost all cases.

Door-to-door and phone calling are much better done by a third party that specialises in those jobs. They have dedicated teams that just switch product every few weeks/months.

The case in Perth is obviously an extreme example and not reflective of the vast majority of collectors.

Few barrels have no rotten apples.

 

[ddt]

Almost all cold-call fundraising is done by contractors rather than the organisation itself. The logistics of having teams of people for short terms doesn't fit charities' ability in almost all cases.

Door-to-door and phone calling are much better done by a third party that specialises in those jobs. They have dedicated teams that just switch product every few weeks/months.

The case in Perth is obviously an extreme example and not reflective of the vast majority of collectors.

Few barrels have no rotten apples.

Oh, I understand those are rotten apples.

But going door-to-door seems to me not worth the investment for one-off donations. I obviously don't know the tradition in Australia, and how much people are willing to give at the door.

Here in the Netherlands there is a tradition of volunteers going door to door with a collection box for collecting (small) donations. People typically give 1 or 2 euro, but it can range from really only some copper coins amounting to cents to 20 euro banknotes. My own experience is that I collect in a week a few hundred euros each year for Amnesty. And the whole organization of door-knockers, coordinators at city ward level, at city level etc. are volunteers. If people had to be paid for that, it would cost money instead of raise it.

Due to the slow disappearance of loose change, this year there was a pilot with new collection boxes that also contained a payment terminal for debit cards.

Some charities here indeed also use telemarketing, but they solicit recurring donations, asking you for an authorization to withdraw weekly or monthly payments from your bank account. And some, lately, also have employed door-to-door knockers with a tablet rather than a collection box for the same thing, who work on a commission basis.

 

[Darat]

Oh, I understand those are rotten apples.

But going door-to-door seems to me not worth the investment for one-off donations. I obviously don't know the tradition in Australia, and how much people are willing to give at the door.

Here in the Netherlands there is a tradition of volunteers going door to door with a collection box for collecting (small) donations. People typically give 1 or 2 euro, but it can range from really only some copper coins amounting to cents to 20 euro banknotes. My own experience is that I collect in a week a few hundred euros each year for Amnesty. And the whole organization of door-knockers, coordinators at city ward level, at city level etc. are volunteers. If people had to be paid for that, it would cost money instead of raise it.

Due to the slow disappearance of loose change, this year there was a pilot with new collection boxes that also contained a payment terminal for debit cards.

Some charities here indeed also use telemarketing, but they solicit recurring donations, asking you for an authorization to withdraw weekly or monthly payments from your bank account. And some, lately, also have employed door-to-door knockers with a tablet rather than a collection box for the same thing, who work on a commission basis.

In the UK the doorstepers try to get you to sign up for a direct debit (regular payment from your bank account), it's not usually a collection tin being shoved under people's noses and from what I've quickly looked up it's the same in Australia.

 

[Information Analyst]

What surprises me is that Oxfam hires another company to do the door-to-door fundraising. Are these fundraisers volunteers or paid employees?

In the UK charities contract out a lot of collecting activities. People standing in the street or other public places with collection boxes/buckets will often be unpaid volunteers, but people standing in the street aggressively trying to get people to sign up to automatic regular payments will usually be employed, usually through a third party company.

 

[cullennz]

Just a pointless anecdote

When I was living in London on my OE one of the flats I had was in a street of houses that were all elderly people

We had a spell of about 2 months when different pairs of teenagers came knocking on all the houses and pressuring the elderly people to donate towards their "teacher" who had cancer, or another invented charity. Wanting cash or people's accounts to set up hard to stop direct debits

They all ended up at mine on the way through and obviously got a different reaction

It stopped fairly quick after that.

But it taught me that you need to be wary about even charity people sometimes

Pretty sad really

 

[ddt]

In the UK the doorstepers try to get you to sign up for a direct debit (regular payment from your bank account), it's not usually a collection tin being shoved under people's noses and from what I've quickly looked up it's the same in Australia.

In the UK charities contract out a lot of collecting activities. People standing in the street or other public places with collection boxes/buckets will often be unpaid volunteers, but people standing in the street aggressively trying to get people to sign up to automatic regular payments will usually be employed, usually through a third party company.

Yeah, for regular recurring payments, it makes sense to hire people.

 

[catsmate]

In the UK charities contract out a lot of collecting activities. People standing in the street or other public places with collection boxes/buckets will often be unpaid volunteers, but people standing in the street aggressively trying to get people to sign up to automatic regular payments will usually be employed, usually through a third party company.

One which pays a small percentage of the monies collected to the charity. And will cheerfully sell your personal details to absolutely anyone with the money.
Also unlikely to be very careful with said personal data.
Never fall for chuggers.

 

[The Atheist]

I love bad anecdotes about charity - it salves the conscience of people who don't like giving to charity, so it's nice to see the usual suspects coming out for play.

One which pays a small percentage of the monies collected to the charity.

Utter nonsense.

The average amount paid by contracting charitable collectors is 60% of gross income, which is perfectly reasonable given wages & overheads come out of it.

Yes, there have been instances of some companies not playing the game, but find me a completely clean industry and I'll show you a bunch of liars.

I find it amusing how the GFC cost trillions of dollars, yet nobody boycotted the banks that caused it, and I don't see many complaints that scumbag banks charge charities the same as profit-making businesses for the payments through credit cards.

And will cheerfully sell your personal details to absolutely anyone with the money.

Another outstanding urban legend with no evidence at all to support it.

The vast majority of companies involved in charity work have very high ethics and don't sell their information at any price. It would be valuable information, too, because it would highlight people with excess money.

Your statement is complete fabrication.

I trust you cried long and hard about Farcebook/Cambridge Analytica.

Also unlikely to be very careful with said personal data.

Another completely false statement.

How many hacks have their been of these companies - especially compared to Ashley Madison, Uber, et al?

Never fall for chuggers.

Or, to paraphrase "Never give money to someone more deserving than yourself."

 

[rjh01]

If you want to give to a charity then the best idea is to give directly to a charity. You can go to their website and follow the directions you find there. That way over 96% (more like 98%) of the money goes to the charity and the balance is bank fees. Or directly pay it into their bank account. Ask them how to do this.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Whatever happened to the days of Charities asking Service Clubs, such as Lions and Rotary, to help them out with the door to door collections.

 

[psionl0]

I love bad anecdotes about charity - it salves the conscience of people who don't like giving to charity, so it's nice to see the usual suspects coming out for play.

What I don't like about charitable collection businesses is that they all expect you to commit to a series of regular payments (by direct debit no less). Offer a one-off donation and they run.

If you want to give to a charity then the best idea is to give directly to a charity.

Spot on.

 

[Darat]

Whatever happened to the days of Charities asking Service Clubs, such as Lions and Rotary, to help them out with the door to door collections.

They fundraise for themselves.

 

[Darat]

What I don't like about charitable collection businesses is that they all expect you to commit to a series of regular payments (by direct debit no less). Offer a one-off donation and they run.


Spot on. [emoji106]

I've never had a charity run from a donation whether a one off or a regular payment.

 

[psionl0]

I've never had a charity run from a donation whether a one off or a regular payment.

They don't. But the businesses they employ do.