Challenge Application Proving existence of God

Sally

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Sally
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Hi Everyone,

I have been lurking around here for some time in hopes of finding the best way to appy for the challenge. Since I am still in the dark on how to do so I am coming here for advice.

A little background to me:

When I was a young child of the age of 5 I was hit by a car travelling at a good rate of speed...being thrown for a distance my head collided with the pavement and pushed me into a blackout (near death) for a few hours. During that time I was overwhelmed with a feeling of peacefullness and sense of purpose a brightness filled the space around me and I felt a power much more amazing than I.

As I grew and learned I knew I was in the presence of God during my time away from the world I have used this experience to reclaim a connection with God and have the ability to receive guidence from Him. He has truely guided my life and has led me to various encounters with unbelievers (which is how I ended up here) The full purpose of His work is still coming into light but I now know enough that He is ready through me to disprove the nonbelievers I know that randi's challenge is part of this.

God will through me make his presence known for all to see, but the skeptics needs this tested what are some ideas from you for convincing you that God is speaking through me...
 
Sally said:
Hi Everyone,

I have been lurking around here for some time in hopes of finding the best way to appy for the challenge. Since I am still in the dark on how to do so I am coming here for advice.

A little background to me:

When I was a young child of the age of 5 I was hit by a car travelling at a good rate of speed...being thrown for a distance my head collided with the pavement and pushed me into a blackout (near death) for a few hours. During that time I was overwhelmed with a feeling of peacefullness and sense of purpose a brightness filled the space around me and I felt a power much more amazing than I.

As I grew and learned I knew I was in the presence of God during my time away from the world I have used this experience to reclaim a connection with God and have the ability to receive guidence from Him. He has truely guided my life and has led me to various encounters with unbelievers (which is how I ended up here) The full purpose of His work is still coming into light but I now know enough that He is ready through me to disprove the nonbelievers I know that randi's challenge is part of this.

God will through me make his presence known for all to see, but the skeptics needs this tested what are some ideas from you for convincing you that God is speaking through me...
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Welcome Sally.

As far as I know, the JREF does not test for deities because the claim cannot be falsified.

It may help your application if you could state precisely what you claim, how you will demonstrate it, what means a successful proof of this demonstration or a failure thereof.
 
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Sally said:
God will through me make his presence known for all to see, but the skeptics needs this tested what are some ideas from you for convincing you that God is speaking through me...
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If you wish to mke a claim, you have to come up with the claim, you can't expect us to come up with one for you.
 
Sally said:
God will through me make his presence known for all to see, but the skeptics needs this tested what are some ideas from you for convincing you that God is speaking through me...
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You have to give a testable demonstration. Do something paranormal, know something that can't be known by ordinary means, anything, as long as you can objectively succeed or fail at it.

For example, I just randomly selected a word from the Diceware Word List (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diceware). If you were to tell me what it is -- without guessing, or feedback from me, or any means that I could use to get such a word from you -- that would be evidence of a paranormal ability. Once you demonstrate that you have an ability, then we can start investigating how and why.

It would still be a huge leap to go from "I have a special ability" to "God exists", but I'd love to see someone prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists.
 
I believe you, and you are not alone. But that doesn't mean we are going to be able to prove this to skeptics. Ultimately skepticism is a legitimate world-view, distinct from buddhism, and christianity or any other paradigm. They have equal rights under the law, to believe in skepticism. And if they want to preach to people, then they are allowed to. Just like Christians can preach the bible. But in my opinion, its a mistake to be as defiant and active as JREF is. Trying to debunk religions is a mistake. It is like a christian preaching to a muslim. And I feel they are doing as much to repress scientific thought, as they are doing to inspire scientists to think outside of the box.
 
Yes, God ought to know really that Randi explicitly states in his FAQ that proving His existence isn't what the challenge is there for.

But if God can work through you to do something of a paranormal nature, ask Him what it will be, and then you can submit a normal application. As someone else stated, this is unlikely to be considered by anyone to be proof of Go'd existence, but hey, it might be a good start.

Welcome, btw.
 
CoreyWhite said:
I believe you, and you are not alone. But that doesn't mean we are going to be able to prove this to skeptics. Ultimately skepticism is a legitimate world-view, distinct from buddhism, and christianity or any other paradigm. They have equal rights under the law, to believe in skepticism. And if they want to preach to people, then they are allowed to. Just like Christians can preach the bible. But in my opinion, its a mistake to be as defiant and active as JREF is. Trying to debunk religions is a mistake. It is like a christian preaching to a muslim. And I feel they are doing as much to repress scientific thought, as they are doing to inspire scientists to think outside of the box.
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How is the JREF repressing scientific thought, Corey?

Why is it a mistake to be "defiant and active", if this is what the JREF is?
 
Sally said:
The full purpose of His work is still coming into light but I now know enough that He is ready through me to disprove the nonbelievers I know that randi's challenge is part of this.

God will through me make his presence known for all to see, but the skeptics needs this tested what are some ideas from you for convincing you that God is speaking through me...
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It sounds like your god is pretty willing and flexible. Pick any of the previously-accepted challengers, who took the preliminary test and failed. Propose the exact same protocol, take the test, and succeed.

It won't prove that god did it, rather than some other power, but if you win the million, it'll sure give you a bully pulpit to preach from.
 
No one likes being preached to, or lectured. It is like reverse psychology. If you fly over to China, there are science activists who are killing each other over the fact that some scientists are being repressed by skeptics. I don't think we need to go there in the USA. And I don't like the psychological effect of James Randi having a million dollars.

I remember once a friend of mine manipulated me with a fake million dollar bill. He bet me the million that I would stop hiccupping, and I immediately stopped. Not a single hiccup after he showed it to me. Strange right?
 
CoreyWhite said:
No one likes being preached to, or lectured. It is like reverse psychology. If you fly over to China, there are science activists who are killing each other over the fact that some scientists are being repressed by skeptics. I don't think we need to go there in the USA. And I don't like the psychological effect of James Randi having a million dollars.
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James Randi does not have a million dollars. He isnt walking around with a monopoly guy monocle and a top hat dangling a million dollar carrot in front of religious fanatics then jerking it out of reach when they go for it. He started a foundation which offers a simple CHALLENGE to prove the existence of paranormality (god being classified as paranormal...duh!).

It's quite simple really - put up or shut up. Religious folks seem to do neither, though.
 
Crowbot said:
James Randi does not have a million dollars. He isnt walking around with a monopoly guy monocle and a top hat dangling a million dollar carrot in front of religious fanatics then jerking it out of reach when they go for it. He started a foundation which offers a simple CHALLENGE to prove the existence of paranormality (god being classified as paranormal...duh!).

It's quite simple really - put up or shut up. Religious folks seem to do neither, though.
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Actually they do A LOT of shutting up, when asked to put up.

And who has the nerve to argue that Asians kill each other over science, I think someone forgot to read about the crusades in his lower school history book.
 
Sally said:
Hi Everyone,

God will through me make his presence known for all to see, but the skeptics needs this tested what are some ideas from you for convincing you that God is speaking through me...
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Hi, Sally, and welcome!

I suggest reading the FAQ, especially section 2, with particular attention to section 2.5.

I can't speak for anyone else here, but as far as convincing me that God is speaking through you, well, He knows what will convince me, because I have told Him (and only Him) numerous times. In fact, I am reminding Him right now, as I type this. So all you have to do is your part in what will convince me.
 
It's amazing that God only gets that in depth with one person, as opposed to oh...everyone.
Maybe the car accident made you realize your own mortality, and now that you're aware, you're so scared of death, you take it in as "peace and gods will."
Maybe.
 
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Actually they do A LOT of shutting up, when asked to put up.

And who has the nerve to argue that Asians kill each other over science, I think someone forgot to read about the crusades in his lower school history book.
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For some reason Corey seems to be equating skeptics with the repressive authoritarian governement of China. I wonder where that came from? :confused:
 
Sally said:
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Hi Sally,

What makes you think you can succeed in this when Jesus Christ and Mohammed both failed?

IXP
 
Maybe she doesn't intend to force enemas up small childrens butts like Mohammed? I know that was a downfall...but tell us, will you be sleeping naked with children and despising africans, like Mohammed?
 
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Sally said:
God will through me make his presence known for all to see, but the skeptics needs this tested what are some ideas from you for convincing you that God is speaking through me...
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This weekend's numbers to be drawn in the German national lottery, in my PMs, no later than Friday, 6pm (GMT+1)

You ask your God for the numbers and let me have them by the time stated. It's not sufficient proof, but my minimum standard for a first step thereof. As soon as the money is in my account I will work for you - full time and without further compensation - for at least 5 years helping you to prove whatever you desire to whoever you chose to prove it to.

Deal?
 
I am not talking palour tricks people. Gods will is not to give lottery numbers find metal under a cup or read peoples mind. God is love and God is forgiveness.

I am asking the deepest and most outright skeptics to tell me what would prove that God is in all of our lives not that I can do a cool trick and claim God did it. I am smarter than that and it will not bring in the critical thinkers as believers.

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Here is one of the lines I was thinking on. Go to the most war ravaged struggling part of the third world and have my light shine onto the masses and witness as they are nurished and peaceful and happy. As they lay down their weapons and come into the circle of love..the circle of the holy trinity...
 
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I know what you can do!!!
Answer this impossible question!

http://whydoesgodhateamputees.com/

But regardless, I have a question, if God assisted in writing the bible, and in "earlier times" had no problem making his presence known, how come in the past years he only trys to express himself through one person??? As opposed to showing himself to everyone?
 
God only works through true believers today in a world of infideles and skeptics a true believer is a hard person to find.

And the sarcasm of your site is not appreciated by any. Jokes are no way to have an intelligent conversation over life and death matters...
 
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