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Canada Seal Slaughter begins

Dustin Kesselberg

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Canada's annual "Seal slaughter" has begun. Each spring hundreds of blood thirsty locals descend onto the ice to slaughter helpless seals by shooting them or beating them to death with clubs. The Canadian seal hunt is the largest marine mammal slaughter on the planet with over a million seals killed in the last 3 years. The seals are killed for their fur and sold by the hunters. The hunters argue that seal hunting is their livelihood and they have nothing else to do, but since when was being ignorant and uneducated an excuse to slaughter helpless animals by the millions?

http://www.hsus.org/protect_seals.html


Sen. Levin Resolves to End the Canadian Seal Hunt >>

The pups watch with frightened eyes as the sealers descend on them with their clubs and guns. More>>

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I heard there may not be many pups this year as ice levels are very low at the moment. (the pups will drown)

Can anyone confirm this?
 
drkitten said:
Ironic that this plea is being made by a confirmed Nazi apologist.
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I'm not a Nazi, or a Nazi 'apologist' and the David Irving picture is in my avatar for totally different reasons which I've already explained to you twice. Stop being stubborn and stop trying to derail the thread.
 
Dustin said:
Canada's annual "Seal slaughter" has begun. Each spring hundreds of blood thirsty locals descend onto the ice to slaughter helpless seals by shooting them or beating them to death with clubs. The Canadian seal hunt is the largest marine mammal slaughter on the planet with over a million seals killed in the last 3 years. The seals are killed for their fur and sold by the hunters. The hunters argue that seal hunting is their livelihood and they have nothing else to do, but since when was being ignorant and uneducated an excuse to slaughter helpless animals by the millions?
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Tell me, are seals the only animals you find "helpless"? Are you against hunting in general, or even killing animals in general, or do you just have something against seal hunting. If so, why? Because they are cute?
The pups watch with frightened eyes as the sealers descend on them with their clubs and guns.
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Please stop, I'm going to cry. But you are certainly right; important decisions impacting the life and livinghood of thousands of people should be based on emotional pleading and anthropomorphism.
 
ZouPrime said:
Tell me, are seals the only animals you find "helpless"?
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No.

ZouPrime said:
Are you against hunting in general, or even killing animals in general, or do you just have something against seal hunting.
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Truthfully, This isn't even "hunting". The seals have no chance to get away from the humans once they're on the ice. Technically it's just a slaughter.


ZouPrime said:
Please stop, I'm going to cry. But you are certainly right; important decisions impacting the life and livinghood of thousands of people should be based on emotional pleading and anthropomorphism.
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Anthropomorphism? Did you just learn that word? I see that word thrown around a lot by people who have no idea what it actually even means. By definition anthropomorphism is assigning uniquely of human characteristics to non-humans. Nowhere in this thread did I do this. Please do research before making ignorant comments.

As for their "livinghood"(Which isn't even a word BTW), Simply being too untalented and ignorant to do anything other than bash baby seals to death isn't an excuse to do so.
 
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Dustin said:
No.
Truthfully, This isn't even "hunting". The seals have no chance to get away from the humans once they're on the ice. Technically it's just a slaughter.
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You didn't really answered the question.
Anthropomorphism? Did you just learn that word? I see that word thrown around a lot by people who have no idea what it actually even means. By definition anthropomorphism is assigning uniquely of human characteristics to non-humans. Nowhere in this thread did I do this. Please do research before making ignorant comments.
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Criticising hunting because the animals are "helpless" certainly smells like crass anthropomorphism to me. Why did you even mentionned this? How is this relevant? Is hunting more « moral » if the animals aren’t helpless?

And also, why did you focused on this single word and completely sidestepped my point?

As for their "livinghood"(Which isn't even a word BTW), Simply being too untalented and ignorant to do anything other than bash baby seals to death isn't an excuse to do so.
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Many native groups have relied on seal hunting for centuries. Calling them "untalented and ignorant" because they don't conform to a concept of moral based on your foreign and emotional analysis of the situation doesn't exactly help your argument.
 
What brave "hunters"...
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And how precisely is bravery related to the situation? Why is it an issue? Are you claiming that seal hunters consider their activity as brave? If so, do you have a source?
 
Dustin said:
No.



Truthfully, This isn't even "hunting". The seals have no chance to get away from the humans once they're on the ice. Technically it's just a slaughter.
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Deer don't have a chance either when people hunt them with guns, to say nothing of the cows, chicken and pigs we slaughter for food. Where's your outrage at that?


Anthropomorphism? Did you just learn that word? I see that word thrown around a lot by people who have no idea what it actually even means. By definition anthropomorphism is assigning uniquely of human characteristics to non-humans. Nowhere in this thread did I do this. Please do research before making ignorant comments.
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He's merely suggesting that your selective outrage is in need of some explanation. The explanation he suggests, "anthropomorphism," might be a bit of a stretch, I agree. I assume he just meant that since seals are cute you don't think they should be slaughtered. Perhaps subconscious anthropomorphism is the reason we find some animals cute and others not so cute? You rely far too much on strict dictionary definitions. Words acquire their meanings through usage, and the way he used the word is not uncommon. But dubious usage of the word "anthropomorphism" aside, he has a point. Are you outraged that we slaughter cows and chickens?

With icecaps receding, those seals are not long for this world anyway, so we might as well use them, right? Otherwise, they'll just go to waste.


As for their "livinghood"(Which isn't even a word BTW), Simply being too untalented and ignorant to do anything other than bash baby seals to death isn't an excuse to do so.
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Well, Mr. grammar Nazi, you have an incorrectly capitalized word in the very sentence in which you criticize someone else's grammar. Stop being an a[rule8]hole.

And, as we all know, it is only lack of talent and intelligence that limits one's economic opportunities. You should tell all those stupid no-talent Africans to get a real job already instead of just sitting around dying of AIDS. You truly are a piece of work.
 
ZouPrime said:
You didn't really answered the question.
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Do I oppose all hunting? No.

Do I oppose hunting seals? No.

Do I oppose this method of hunting? Yes.

Do I oppose hunting baby seals? Yes.

ZouPrime said:
Criticising hunting because the animals are "helpless" certainly smells like crass anthropomorphism to me. Why did you even mentionned this? How is this relevant? Is hunting more « moral » if the animals aren’t helpless?
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Now "helplessness" is an anthropomorphism? Haha!

I mentioned it because it is indeed crueler to hunt helpless creatures who can't even run away. Deer can run, fast. Baby seals can't.

ZouPrime said:
And also, why did you focused on this single word and completely sidestepped my point?
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Just pointing out your factual errors.

ZouPrime said:
Many native groups have relied on seal hunting for centuries. Calling them "untalented and ignorant" because they don't conform to a concept of moral based on your foreign and emotional analysis of the situation doesn't exactly help your argument.
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Many natives have used cannibalism, slavery and pedophilia as well. Does that make it right?

If your occupational choices are limited bashing baby seals to death then it's pretty likely you aren't that bright.
 
Canadians taking all the glory for the baby seal clubbing, eh? Never forget, it was Norwegians that invented that perfect tool for bashing in the head of a cute little baby seal, the hakapik.

I don't think seal hunting is any worse than killing cows. At least the seals are allowed to roam free in their own environment until killed, unlike domesticated animals.

They sure are cute, though.

Is the hakapik inhumane? See Myth #3

Is seal clubbing inhumane? The Canadian Veterinary Journal says no.

But if I know Dustin right, he has already made up his mind and not even moving the heavens and the earth will shake his convictions.
 
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Dustin said:
. . . but since when was being ignorant and uneducated an excuse to slaughter helpless animals by the millions?
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Since forever . . .

1870 The Texas Rangers raid Mexican villages, lynching Mexicans and putting them in cages -- the "extreme sport" of the time.

http://www.alternet.org/story/13007/
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The American Indian Genocide

The decimation of indigenous American Indian cultures, beginning five centuries ago, is still being whitewashed by textbooks and movies. There were many friendly and close relationships between early settlers and native peoples, but these were not the main current in our relations. U.S. history is blighted by acts of genocide against native people, exacerbated by the fatal impact of new diseases spread by contact between new settlers and native Americans. Many aggressive attempts were made to reshape the Indian peoples according to European cultural models, whether under threat of death or, later, through exile to government boarding schools.

http://www.wwcd.org/policy/US/UShistory.html
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Anti-Asian Racism & Violence

Ever since the first Asians arrived in America, there has been anti-Asian racism. This includes prejudice and acts of discrimination. For more than 200 years, Asian Americans have been denied equal rights, subjected to harassment and hostility, had their rights revoked and imprisoned for no justifiable reason, physically attacked, and murdered.

http://www.asian-nation.org/racism.shtml
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Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen,—There is perhaps no argument more frequently resorted to by the Slaveholders in support of the slave system, than the inferiority of the slave. This is the burden of all their defence of the institution of slavery, "the negro is degraded—he is ignorant, he is inferior—and therefore 'tis right to enslave him."

http://docsouth.unc.edu/neh/douglass/support8.html
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If men are capable of doing these things to each other, don't you think it's easy to justify doing it to animals? For the record, I'm with you against the slaughter of the seals, just as I would have been against the slaughter of millions of buffalo that the plains Indians depended on to live. Such blatant disregard for an entire animal species is grossly irresponsible, but I don't think it's going to stop.
 
Dustin said:
I mentioned it because it is indeed crueler to hunt helpless creatures who can't even run away. Deer can run, fast. Baby seals can't.
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I think this is irrelevant if the population needs to be culled. The only issue is, are the animals killed humanely? In every picture I have seen, the person butchering the seal approaches from behind. If done carefully, the seal would never see it coming and would feel no pain.

If the alternative is to let the population grow out of control, resulting in mass starvation of the cute little guys, then I say do what you have to.
 
Mephisto said:
If men are capable of doing these things to each other, don't you think it's easy to justify doing it to animals? For the record, I'm with you against the slaughter of the seals, just as I would have been against the slaughter of millions of buffalo that the plains Indians depended on to live. Such blatant disregard for an entire animal species is grossly irresponsible, but I don't think it's going to stop.
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I can't speak for Canada, but in Norway culling the seal population is a neccesity for sustaining the cod population.
 
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