Can PsyOps Win the Jihad?

[SteveGrenard]

Can Psy-Ops win the Jihad? The war on Terror? Any war? Everybody hates the killing but nobody seems to want to do anything about it especially when one side of the conflict is populated by fighters who not only don’t mind being killed are rewarded in heaven with virgins, servants and an abode the size of Rhode Island. The allies faced a similar problem in fighting suicidal Japanese fighter pilots (Kamikazes) in WW II. There is no weapon that culminates in killing which is effective against any enemy who wants to die. The new Kamikaze is the jihadi.

Here is the site for the Psyops War Society: http://www.psywarsoc.org/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5217484.stm


Israel steps up "psy-ops" in Lebanon
By Peter Feuilherade
BBC Monitoring

From mass targeting of mobile phones with voice and text messages to old-fashioned radio broadcasts warning of imminent attacks, Israel is deploying a range of old and new technologies in Lebanon as part of the psychological operations ("psyops") campaign supplementing its military attacks.

Even a Psy ops soldier can be killed in Iraq......

By Henry Cuningham
Military editor

Staff Sgt. Michael A. Dickinson was supposed to be on his last mission in Iraq before coming home at the end of the month when he was killed, his mother said Tuesday.Dickson, 26, of Battle Creek, Mich., was assigned to the 9th Psychological Operations Battalion of the 4th Psy Ops Group at Fort Bragg.

http://www.fayettevillenc.com/article?id=237837




From the Christian Science Monitor

But today, what military-types dub psy-ops - or psychological operations - is also encompassing the technological advance of communication. Many Lebanese say they've been getting e-mails, text messages, and phone calls from Israel. One phone message said that Nasrallah had been badly wounded in an Israeli strike. Another claimed that people paid by Hizbullah were worried that they would no longer receive their monthly salaries.

But given the deep mistrust of Israel in Lebanon, many here and abroad wonder whether Israel is making an impact - be it in persuading the vulnerable to move or in winning hearts and minds in the campaign to discredit Hizbullah.

'Hello, this is the Israeli Army'

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0802/p11s01-wome.html


And here is an excerpt from an article that decries the use of non-lethal sound bombs to frighten Palestinians. The writer, on an Arabic website, condemns the use of this technique and asks what other purpose it could have other than to frighten Moslem children and he blames miscarriages on the technique. The
other purpose, in case he doesn’t realize it, is that it doesn’t kill. The miscarriages assertion needs to be confirmed. I wonder if thunder storms cause miscarriages. Pro-Jihadi moslems don't like psyops because it robs their troops of their suicidal imperative.

Israel’s sonic blasts are part of a larger psy-ops war that is aimed at directly at children; it has no other conceivable purpose. The explosions have no military value except to attack the fragile psyche of the most vulnerable and sensitive. As the survey indicates, Israel’s plan has succeeded quite admirably. In fact, Israel is so pleased with the results of its psy-ops terror-campaign that it has developed "sound bombs" which are intended to create widespread fear and trauma.

This new weapon has been successfully deployed in Gaza "inducing miscarriages and traumatizing children". Israel is aware of these effects and continues to use the weapon regardless of the human suffering it causes.

Just think of the money that could be saved if the Palestinians can just be kept in abeyance by producing a constant state of trepidation.

This appears to be the rationale of the Israeli leadership, who continue to explore the frontiers of psycho-anxiety weaponry.

What other possible reason could there be for sound bombs?

http://english.alarabonline.org/

 

[CFLarsen]

Pork bullets won't work, that's for sure.

 

[SteveGrenard]

Don't know if you don't try --- it won't cost much and nobody would get physically hurt.

 

[zenith-nadir]

Pork bullets won't work, that's for sure.

I saw that on Mythbusters. They tried ice and meat bullets to no avail. They both failed to make an effective projectile.

Another good Mythbusters was the "brown note" myth. The Brown Note, for those who do not know, is an infrasonic frequency that supposedly causes humans to, er...."fill their diapers". That too is just a myth.

 

[SteveGrenard]

I saw that on Mythbusters. They tried ice and meat bullets to no avail. They both failed to make an effective projectile.

Another good Mythbusters was the "brown note" myth. The Brown Note, for those who do not know, is an infrasonic frequency that supposedly causes humans to, er...."fill their diapers". That too is just a myth.

An "effective projectile" is not the objective -- in fact an ineffective, non-lethal projectile is what is desired so mythbusters confirms that the pork meat bullet idea, as a non-lethal but non-halal technique may work. The IDF needs to contact the mythbuster team.

 

[zenith-nadir]

An "effective projectile" is not the objective -- in fact an ineffective, non-lethal projectile is what is desired so mythbusters confirms that the pork meat bullet idea, as a non-lethal but non-halal technique may work. The IDF needs to contact the mythbuster team.

I like Montreal smoked meat bullets...they smell so yummy when they are fired. {stomach grumbles}

 

[Mycroft]

An "effective projectile" is not the objective -- in fact an ineffective, non-lethal projectile is what is desired so mythbusters confirms that the pork meat bullet idea, as a non-lethal but non-halal technique may work. The IDF needs to contact the mythbuster team.

Like a paint-ball gun with the paint-balls filled with grease instead of paint?

 

[CFLarsen]

Don't know if you don't try --- it won't cost much and nobody would get physically hurt.

But you want to smear a real bullet with pork fat.

How does that not physically hurt people?

 

[SteveGrenard]

Like a paint-ball gun with the paint-balls filled with grease instead of paint?

Paint-Ball guns would be good. When the jihadi bus reaches my block, I will take a leaf from Bram Stoker and festoon my house with pork rinds that have been sown together by thread like a string of garlic. A barbecue of baby back pork ribs on the front porch would be good as well.

Start laying in a supply of pork products.

 

[SteveGrenard]

But you want to smear a real bullet with pork fat.

How does that not physically hurt people?

Yes to be used only as a deterrent in a psy ops operation. Let the enemy "find" real bullets with pork on them. However, in researching this further this may not even be necessary once I found out that Miss Piggy,
Porky Pig, Piglet, piggy banks, pig statues, cartoons, etc etc all offend, disgust and instill antipathy in devout muslim extremist jihadis.

A leaflet detailing a pork based threat would be a weapon as well.

Claus, there is nothing in the way of a real bullet that will deter
a muslim who wants to die so he can reap his reward so we have to
find other weapons, albeit non-lethal ones that can do this. You
indicated it would be less offensive and better to kill this enemy so they
can reap their heavenly reward then to offend them. I don't agree with you on several levels already explained.

 

[CFLarsen]

Yes to be used only as a deterrent in a psy ops operation. Let the enemy "find" real bullets with pork on them.

You can't keep anything like that secret. They will find the bullets that have been fired, and will soon discover that none of them have pork fat on them.

And then, you are the laughing stock of the entire world.

However, in researching this further this may not even be necessary once I found out that Miss Piggy,
Porky Pig, Piglet, piggy banks, pig statues, cartoons, etc etc all offend, disgust and instill antipathy in devout muslim extremist jihadis.

And non-extremist Muslims as well.

A leaflet detailing a pork based threat would be a weapon as well.

Again, your bluff would be revealed.

Claus, there is nothing in the way of a real bullet that will deter
a muslim who wants to die so he can reap his reward so we have to
find other weapons, albeit non-lethal ones that can do this. You
indicated it would be less offensive and better to kill this enemy so they
can reap their heavenly reward then to offend them. I don't agree with you on several levels already explained.

Stop your lying, Steve. I did not indicate any such thing. I don't believe that they will go to heaven for their reward.

 

[SteveGrenard]

You can't keep anything like that secret. They will find the bullets that have been fired, and will soon discover that none of them have pork fat on them.

It is reasonable to expect some bullets would have pork on them and some won't. The possibility needs to be planted. Some of the enemy needs to be porked and then the word gets around.

And non-extremist Muslims as well.

Collateral pork induced offensive damage. Better than dead.

Again, your bluff would be revealed.

Not a bluff. Real pork should be used on the enemy. When they realize this, in however long it takes, hopefully they will quit and go home.

Stop your lying, Steve. I did not indicate any such thing. I don't believe that they will go to heaven for their reward.

I am not lying nor did I say you believed it. You clearly believe the enemy believes it and you don't want to hurt their beliefs or offend them. Your call....

I will requote the line from the African merc who said:

"Anyone worth killing is worth offending..." which you don't agree with apparently.

 

[CFLarsen]

It is reasonable to expect some bullets would have pork on them and some won't. The possibility needs to be planted. Some of the enemy needs to be porked and then the word gets around.

And those you "pork" will still go to heaven and then the word gets around. It won't work, Steve.

Collateral pork induced offensive damage. Better than dead.

It won't work, Steve.

Not a bluff. Real pork should be used on the enemy. When they realize this, in however long it takes, hopefully they will quit and go home.

It won't work, Steve.

I am not lying nor did I say you believed it. You clearly believe the enemy believes it and you don't want to hurt their beliefs or offend them. Your call....

I don't see the purpose of fighting terrorists if you hit all Muslims. You are waging war against a religion by using pork, Steve. You are not waging war against terrorism.

I will requote the line from the African merc who said:

"Anyone worth killing is worth offending..." which you don't agree with apparently.

It won't work, Steve.

 

[SteveGrenard]

You don't know if it will work or not. You have no way of accurately and I emphasize accurately, predicting this. Your statements it won't work are not very scientific.

You may be right. Then again you may not.

 

[CFLarsen]

You don't know if it will work or not. You have no way of accurately and I emphasize accurately, predicting this. Your statements it won't work are not very scientific.

You may be right. Then again you may not.

We know that Muslims are excused if they get in touch with pork without them being responsible for it.

It's a fact, Steve. Your pork scheme won't work.

 

[SteveGrenard]

We know that Muslims are excused if they get in touch with pork without them being responsible for it.

It's a fact, Steve. Your pork scheme won't work.

Claus we've been through this. You epitomize Ground HOG Day -- pun intended:

Excusable offense if eaten when you are starving or if you bite into a ham sandwich by accident. No other excusable exposures were found.

 

[CFLarsen]

Claus we've been through this. You epitomize Ground HOG Day -- pun intended:

Excusable offense if eaten when you are starving or if you bite into a ham sandwich by accident. No other excusable exposures were found.

Rubbish.

 

[SteveGrenard]

Plan B to avoid collateral deaths on the ground:

Use sanitized crop dusters to spray down rocket launchers with
pork based liquids.

 

[CFLarsen]

Plan B to avoid collateral deaths on the ground:

Use sanitized crop dusters to spray down rocket launchers with
pork based liquids.

...which results in an invading horde of rats and cockroaches, bringing multiple diseases, some of which are deadly...



Keep it up, Steve. Your ideas get more and more insane.

 

[SteveGrenard]

...which results in an invading horde of rats and cockroaches, bringing multiple diseases, some of which are deadly

I guess Hezbollah will have to burn their rocket launchers then. What a pity, wasting such good rocket launchers because of cockeroaches.