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Camera work of Apollo 17

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An astronaut on the moon can obviously follow another astronaut when filming.

The video 1972: Apollo 17 (NASA) provides also situations where the camera follows both astronauts. This is possible by preprogramming the camera work, such as e.g. at 16:30 when the two astronauts present the Apollo 17 Goodwill Moon Rock.

Yet at 8:50 the camera even follows an astronaut slipping and falling outside the camera focus. Did they use a sophisticated interaction between camera and astronauts, or is this video a fake?

Cheers, Wolfgang
 
They even made a point of showing this on the "From the Earth to the Moon" mini-series. Ed Fendell was one of the camera operators back on earth.
 
What I find very distressing is how often in conspiracy theories the same question is asked, answered, and then asked again and again. There appears to be no killing a stupid question- it just lives on and on because the goal of conspiracy theory is the conspiracy, not the facts.

Even I, who do not follow the Apollo conspiracy theorist very much, knew the answer to this question.

And I fully expect either (1) a rejection of this answer based on something "not looking right" to the conspiracists as they would expect to see it (perhaps involving the 1.3 second time delay each way Earth to Moon, the angle of the shadows, etc.) or (2) this particular thread being dropped, only to have someone (maybe even wogoga) bring up the same question months from now.
 
wogoga said:
Did they use a sophisticated interaction between camera and astronauts, or is this video a fake?
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Wow, you really don't know much about Apollo, do you?

The "sophisticated interaction" between camera and astronauts was effected by a man named Ed Fendell whose major job at Mission Control was to remotely steer the camera assembly. And you can't get very far into the Apollo video footage without hearing the guy's name and knowing of his task. This means you really haven't done much research into the Apollo photographic record. You have to be pretty colossally ignorant not to know how this was done.
 
JayUtah said:
Wow, you really don't know much about Apollo, do you?

The "sophisticated interaction" between camera and astronauts was effected by a man named Ed Fendell whose major job at Mission Control was to remotely steer the camera assembly. And you can't get very far into the Apollo video footage without hearing the guy's name and knowing of his task. This means you really haven't done much research into the Apollo photographic record. You have to be pretty colossally ignorant not to know how this was done.
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Seems every new thread is designed to underline ignorance.
I have the advantage of being 60 y/o and having heard Walter Cronkite tell the world all about the moon landings, so I remember being told about the cameras.

Next,
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will be asking who held the camera that shot Armstrong stepping off fhe LM.
 
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What I keep wondering is why are some people SO obsessed with proving the Apollo missions wrong?
Apart from the tons of evidence that show they happened, we went to the moon.

No really, we went to the MOON!

I mean, seriously, how cool is that?
Using ingenuity, massive amounts of hard work and standing on the shoulders of all those philosophers, writers, mathematicians, scientists etc of millennia humanity actually managed to put several live people on the moon. And make them come back.

Sure, in some respects the moon might have been duller than we imagined, but on the other had we learned so much about our solar system. So much about where we came from.
To me it is one of the hope spots of humanity. These missions show what we can do if we put a fraction of the energy we use for killing each other for something else.
And yet, here is someone desperately trying to mis-interpret and misread anything if only to prove that no, actually about a million people actively lied to the world!

In fact, come to think of it, a lot of conspiracy theories seem to be out to belittle or tarnish the things that show humans can make a positive change (vaccines spring to mind, or the UN).
Would you mind telling us WHY you so desperately want to Apollo missions to be fake Wogoga?
 
Giordano said:
What I find very distressing is how often in conspiracy theories the same question is asked, answered, and then asked again and again. There appears to be no killing a stupid question- it just lives on and on because the goal of conspiracy theory is the conspiracy, not the facts.

Even I, who do not follow the Apollo conspiracy theorist very much, knew the answer to this question.

And I fully expect either (1) a rejection of this answer based on something "not looking right" to the conspiracists as they would expect to see it (perhaps involving the 1.3 second time delay each way Earth to Moon, the angle of the shadows, etc.) or (2) this particular thread being dropped, only to have someone (maybe even wogoga) bring up the same question months from now.
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Yeah, the time delay was what I'd expect to be the next bone of contention. However, even just here on earth a decent live action camera operator needs to anticipate where the action is going and how best to accommodate. You'll note in the incident in question as the one astronaut falls out of the field of view the camera doesn't pan but zooms back widening the field of view to keep both astronauts in the shot. I remember back when, as we saw the live action lift off from the moon, the point being made about how the operator had to anticipate and start the tilt up early due to the delay time in the camera control.
 
Giordano said:
What I find very distressing is how often in conspiracy theories the same question is asked, answered, and then asked again and again. There appears to be no killing a stupid question- it just lives on and on because the goal of conspiracy theory is the conspiracy, not the facts.
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It's what Bill Maher calls a Zombie Lie.
 
The Man said:
Yeah, the time delay was what I'd expect to be the next bone of contention. However, even just here on earth a decent live action camera operator needs to anticipate where the action is going and how best to accommodate. You'll note in the incident in question as the one astronaut falls out of the field of view the camera doesn't pan but zooms back widening the field of view to keep both astronauts in the shot. I remember back when, as we saw the live action lift off from the moon, the point being made about how the operator had to anticipate and start the tilt up early due to the delay time in the camera control.
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Yes, the network I work for has one control room for all local news stations. Some of the stations are a few thousand kilometers from the control room. Cameras are operated from the control room. The news anchors are in a green room looking at cameras that have no one behind them. Occasionally you can note a mistake in anticipation by the camera operator. Now it's not all that difficult for in studio, but often the anchor throws to a live shot from elsewhere in the city or the traffic helicopter. That requires anticipation by the producer & switcher. Coordination can be a problem but from what I understand everyone gets used to thinking a few seconds in the future, so to speak.

I also am the tech for the local cable access station and we do a live show every week. There is a 2 second delay between what occurs in the studio and it appearing on the cable channel. Our town is a hub of a larger city 200 km to the west, so the studio shot is digitized, sent to the larger center, inserted to the channel stream, which is then sent via fiber to the hub site in this town and from there to customers.
 
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Hey, wogoga, are we gonna do these one at a time or could we just do the Dumbass Dozen questions all at once?
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
Hey, wogoga, are we gonna do these one at a time or could we just do the Dumbass Dozen questions all at once?
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wogoga does not want that. He has taken upon himself the responsibility to misrepresent all replies on his own blog. We know this because he has told us so and provided links to it. His goal is simply to misrepresent replies here on his blog to make it appear that he is somehow "winning". That's it. That's all he is doing. It matters not that he is getting owned here, only that he can drive his own traffic and glean ad revenue.

It's in my view a pretty cynical exercise.
 
wogoga said:
An astronaut on the moon can obviously follow another astronaut when filming.

The video 1972: Apollo 17 (NASA) provides also situations where the camera follows both astronauts. This is possible by preprogramming the camera work, such as e.g. at 16:30 when the two astronauts present the Apollo 17 Goodwill Moon Rock.

Yet at 8:50 the camera even follows an astronaut slipping and falling outside the camera focus. Did they use a sophisticated interaction between camera and astronauts, or is this video a fake?

Cheers, Wolfgang
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One and Done, Hoss?
 
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