Bush victory suicide

Patrick

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This a tragic incident, and shows that even psychotic behavior resulted from the fanatical anti-Bush hatred whipped up by the Lurchites as a campaign technique, who stopped at almost nothing in their attempt to gain power:


Man commits suicide at Ground Zero

BY ROCCO PARASCANDOLA, DEBORAH MORRIS AND SEAN GARDINER
Staff Writers
November 6, 2004, 7:11 PM EST

Distraught over the re-election of President George W. Bush, a Georgia man traveled to New York City, went to Ground Zero and killed himself with a shotgun blast, police said yesterday.

The suicide victim, Andrew Veal, 25, was discovered just before 8 a.m. yesterday when a worker for the Millennium Hotel looking at Ground Zero from an upper floor saw a man lying atop the concrete structure through which the 1 and 9 subway lines run.

The worker, thinking the man was sleeping, alerted colleagues and the Port Authority police were notified.

But when they got to Veal's body, they realized he had killed himself with a shot to the head from a .12-gauge shotgun.

No suicide note was found, but according to a Port Authority police source, family members said Veal, a registered Democrat, was despondent over Bush's defeat of Sen. John Kerry. A second source said Veal, who lived in Athens, Ga., and worked for the University of Georgia, was also adamantly opposed to the war in Iraq.

More than three years after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, Ground Zero remains a top tourist attraction, the site rife with symbolism.

Visitors there yesterday reacted in different ways to news of Veal's suicide. Bobbie Jensen, 54, a Republican from Phoenix, said that while she understood how Bush's victory disturbed those who dislike him, Ground Zero is not the place to act on those emotions.

"You can be upset about the war, about Bush, but this is a sacred place," she said. "You got to accept what happened and not kill yourself." But Frank Franca, an East Village artist and registered Democrat, suggested the suicide was symbolic.

"I'm very moved by it," he said. "Obviously, this person was devastated. I can see why he would come here."

Franca's friend, Jeffim Kuznetsov, a 25-year-old student from Russia who lives in Atlanta, said the suicide is evidence of how deeply many Americans were affected by Kerry's defeat.

"It's a national tragedy," he said. "This election is devastating to all who believe in democracy."

Another visitor to Ground Zero, Arushi Raval, 34, a businesswoman who lives in Chelsea, said Veal might have been active in campaigning for Kerry, only to taste defeat.

"Maybe he felt ineffective," she said of the victim. "You feel ineffective if you tried and it all failed.

"I know so many New Yorkers who are depressed over this."
 
As readers of this forum know, I don't like Bush. I don't like his policies, foreign or domestic.

But for the life of me, I can't understand why this was "the most important election of our lifetime". If nothing else, it was no more important than 2000, because it was practically identical to 2000.

What was it that made this election so important to people?

As for the suicide, I would think it is mostly a personal issue, but all those who resorted to extreme rhetoric, on either side, should take this as a lesson. Maybe it was your rhetoric that made this confused individual think that the occupant of the White House was more important than his own life.
 
Sorry, Meadmaker, much as I respect your opinion on a lot of things, I have to disagree here.

I know plenty of people who were - and still are - passionately anti-Bush, and none of them have killed themselves, and I'm sure none of them would even think about it for a second.

This was, I'm convinced, a very confused, unhappy man who almost certainly had a lot of issues in his life, that he probably wasn't dealing with well. I think Bush's re-election was simply the excuse that he used to end his life. If it hadn't been the election today, it might well have been something else next week. It's a tragedy, but the election result was just the excuse - not the cause.

IMHO :(
 
It was either Bush beating Kerry or the suicide pact he made in Dungeon and Dragons.
 
Does the death-count at ground zero now go up to 3001?

Charlie (de-elect Bush or the dog gets it) Monoxide
 
BPSCG said:

This was, I'm convinced, a very confused, unhappy man who almost certainly had a lot of issues in his life, that he probably wasn't dealing with well. I think Bush's re-election was simply the excuse that he used to end his life. If it hadn't been the election today, it might well have been something else next week. It's a tragedy, but the election result was just the excuse - not the cause.

I agree. This was a personal tragedy, not a political one.

I just meant that inflammatory rhetoric can send someone over the edge, if they are already standing on it. I've heard of this happening with sports teams, too. Someone kills himself because his team lost. Obviously, that person was a sad, depressed, and seriously ill individual. In that case, I would never claim that the true-blue fans of the world caused his death, but sometimes I think it would be good if those sports fans would just occaisionally seek a little bit of perspective, and not act like a loss of their team would be the end of the world. Someone just might believe them.

And that's what this basically was, wasn't it? This guy's team lost, and he thought it was the end of the world.
 
And in other news...

Nevermind the left vs. right battle, the lions vs. Christians battle continues to rage on as well:

Man tries to convert lions to Jesus, gets bitten

There's always some nut going to do something that defies explanation. That's what nuts do.

But when they got to Veal's body, they realized he had killed himself with a shot to the head from a .12-gauge shotgun.
Shotgun? Ewww.. I'll bet that was messy. I'm guessing that the second amendment wasn't one of his key issues?

"It's a national tragedy," he said. "This election is devastating to all who believe in democracy."
Er... Isn't an election precisely what democracy is all about?
 
BPSCG said:
This was, I'm convinced, a very confused, unhappy man who almost certainly had a lot of issues in his life, that he probably wasn't dealing with well. I think Bush's re-election was simply the excuse that he used to end his life. If it hadn't been the election today, it might well have been something else next week. It's a tragedy, but the election result was just the excuse - not the cause.

IMHO :(

I agree 100% with your take.
 
Patrick said:
This a tragic incident, and shows that even psychotic behavior resulted from the fanatical anti-Bush hatred whipped up by the Lurchites as a campaign technique, who stopped at almost nothing in their attempt to gain power:


Are you so angry at "liberals" that it prevents you from thinking about personal responsibility? Obviously there was more going wrong in this kid's life than just the election (ie Girlfriend, school, work, family, ect.). But yet you blame "Lurchites," by which I assume you mean liberals who are disappointed with Bush's foreign policy (or lack there of).

I don't like Bush and I voted for Kerry, but responsibilty goes to person who decided the election was an excuse/reason to kill himself. Such a tragic event and you callously blame a political group. I don't place blame on Bush, Kerry, nor there supporters, and I don't see how others can.

If this is how you will continue to start and respond to threads find a different forum where Rush Limbaugh is considered an intellectual. This BB has already had "Jedi Knight" banned for "spamming" after being given numerous warnings. If you can't support your statement, keep it civilized or humerous, don't post. Between your claims and 1inChrist, this BB is getting to be more like a log of ill informed, angry people.
 
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Questioninggeller said:
If this is how you will continue to start and respond to threads find a different forum where Rush Limbaugh is considered an intellectual. This BB has already had "Jedi Knight" banned for "spamming" after being given numerous warnings. If you can't support your statement, keep it civilized or humerous, don't post. Between your claims and 1inChrist, this BB is getting to be more like a log of ill informed, angry people.

If you head down to the "appeaser" thread you'll find out that he's accused me of being an "Appeaser", using the word int he same fashion that Joe McCarthy used the word "commie pinko", but that it turns out he doesn't even know my position on the subject that he's making the accusation about.

He just makes it all up, PATRICK JUST MAKES THINGS UP AND SHOUTS THEM AT THE TOP OF HIS LUNGS.

I don't think you'll get him to change. He expects to be run off the board, now that the election is over, I suspect, to go home, smirk, and think he did his duty to his brown shirt.
 
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jj said:
I suspect, to go home, smirk, and think he did his duty to his brown shirt.

There's nothing wrong with working for United Parcel Service. It's a great job with many benefits, and the uniform is oddly attractive on some people.
 
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TragicMonkey said:
There's nothing wrong with working for United Parcel Service. It's a great job with many benefits, and the uniform is oddly attractive on some people.

Not the uniform I was thinking of, Monk.
 
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jj said:
He expects to be run off the board, now that the election is over, I suspect, to go home, smirk, and think he did his duty to his brown shirt.
jj = Al Gore? Who knew?
 
You know, I only have only one thing to say on this--if your so depressed over the election that would go down to ground zero in New York and blow your head off with a .12-gauge shotgun, then you deserve to go down to ground zero in New York and blow your head off with a .12-gauge shotgun.
 
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BPSCG said:

So, my pointing out that Patrick acts like a brown shirt is somehow the same as Gore claiming that Bush has brownshirts?

I'm not entirely sure that I disagree entirely with Gore, but that's a different issue.

I'll also say that I have as much to do with the internet as Al Gore, but that's another story, too.

In any case, is there some excuse for your misrepresentation, your taking my comments out of context, and your attempting to link two unconnected positions for pure vilification?

Why do you think it's ok to vilify those who disagree with you? Is there some reason that you think that suggesting falsehoods about what I said is ok? Please report fully, including moral, ethical, and legal justifications independently.
 
circuit slave said:
You know, I only have only one thing to say on this--if your so depressed over the election that would go down to ground zero in New York and blow your head off with a .12-gauge shotgun, then you deserve to go down to ground zero in New York and blow your head off with a .12-gauge shotgun.

Another "compassionate conservative ", I see.
 
Zep said:
...or what will you do about it if he doesn't say that??

Since I didn't, we get to find out. I'll keep you posted.
 

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