Bush to Unemployed - Get a degree!

If you have real job skills and you haven't found work yet, then yes you do need another degree. However, I'm guessing its probably a personal problem.
 
corplinx said:
If you have real job skills and you haven't found work yet, then yes you do need another degree. However, I'm guessing its probably a personal problem.
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Hundreds of thousands of Americans have a personal problem?







(Edited to reduce number to more reasonable... but still outragous... amounts)
 
DangerousBeliefs said:
Hundreds of thousands of Americans have a personal problem?


(Edited to reduce number to more reasonable... but still outragous... amounts)
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There doesn't seem to a big employment problem right now other than people who squeaked by during the tech bubble now not being able to get work because they weren't skilled in the first place.

No offense.

The unemployment numbers look great right now (yes, i know they don't account for people who stop looking).

In fact, there is still a shortage of qualified american professional workers.

Walk into a large company and you will find H1B labor galore and it isn't because they are cheaper: its because the companies cant find the skills they need domestically.
 
corplinx said:
There doesn't seem to a big employment problem right now other than people who squeaked by during the tech bubble now not being able to get work because they weren't skilled in the first place.

No offense.

The unemployment numbers look great right now (yes, i know they don't account for people who stop looking).

In fact, there is still a shortage of qualified american professional workers.

Walk into a large company and you will find H1B labor galore and it isn't because they are cheaper: its because the companies cant find the skills they need domestically.
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So, what degree would you recommend to fill these qualified American professional positions which companies are desperately trying to fill?

And H1B labor? Out of work Americans with degrees should apply as legal aliens to find work?
 
DangerousBeliefs said:

And H1B labor? Out of work Americans with degrees should apply as legal aliens to find work?
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Yes, they should say their name is Sergei Russof from some old soviet republic and say they know A. embedded software design B. J2EE C. Oracle/Teradata/DB2 programming D. etc etc etc.

Not everyone can be a programmer, dba, sysadmin though. We need lower level high tech jobs too. Operators, Board Swappers and such. These are the jobs we need our out of work level pullers to start training for now.
 
corplinx said:
These are the jobs we need our out of work level pullers to start training for now.
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Ah, I see... so the unemployeed with college degrees... at record levels... got their degrees in "level pulling".

And your recommendation is that even though they come from -in your opinion - computer-related industries, that they should get another computer-related degree to rejoin the working masses?
 
DangerousBeliefs said:
Ah, I see... so the unemployeed with college degrees... at record levels... got their degrees in "level pulling".
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I was addressing two different unemployed groups. If you can't grok that then perhaps you should give back your degree slick because it doesn't seem to be doing you a lot of good right now anyway.
 
DangerousBeliefs said:
Ah, I see... so the unemployeed with college degrees... at record levels... got their degrees in "level pulling".

And your recommendation is that even though they come from -in your opinion - computer-related industries, that they should get another computer-related degree to rejoin the working masses?
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But really, who cannot get a job? If I major in English and then get a Master's in same, well, it is my fault if it is not marketable.

All that aside, and regardless of who is President, it is up to the individual to be able to offer skills the market will compensate. I'd like to be paid for providing my astute opinions online, but alas, I must instead toil applying skills that bore me, but which companies will pay me for. <shrug>
 
Man, I'm a total prick tonight.

Repartee aside. I had two high tech jobs during the height of the tech boom. One was in web hosting and the other in repairing large 20+ processor machines (and consulting). One job fell away near the start of the tech collapse (while Clinton was in office) and the other job I lost at the very bottom of the tech slump (while Dubya was in office).

I spent six months without employment. At first I was picky and was demaning high salaries and the sort of benefits I had in the tech boom. Unfortunately, noone was even hiring in my area. I finally wound up taking a job paying 35k less than my field service and consulting job. I spent one year in this job just to have work and not be a job hopper before pursueing a better paying job (which there were more of after a year).

I sympathize with anyone who finds themself unemployed. However, blaming your situation on some douchebag politician or foreigners isn't going to get you that job your holding out for.
 
Corplinx - a simple, non-ideological, and broad question - feel free to free-associate:

What do you think of the future success and especially growth and wide acceptance of Microsoft's .NET framework, say in the next 2 - 3 years? Its job-generating capacity for those who can do software development with it fairly well?
 
Glad to hear that Bush created a job for you and that you only had to take a $35,000 pay cut. But hey, I bet his $600 refund helped you out.

Corplinx, Bush lost a million jobs net and the jobs he created pay less than the jobs lost. Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?

But you know all this - you're just being a troll.
 
Dorian Gray said:
Glad to hear that Bush created a job for you and that you only had to take a $35,000 pay cut. But hey, I bet his $600 refund helped you out.

Corplinx, Bush lost a million jobs net and the jobs he created pay less than the jobs lost. Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?

But you know all this - you're just being a troll.
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See, I don't understand this mindset. And yes, I objected when the right tried to saddle Clinton with responsibility for unemployment.

Even if you think a president can seriously affect the job market, it is not a short-term phenomenon. Lag time is at best months, more like years. I do not credit Bush for the current reasonably good economy. Anything he or his partisans say is ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ on that topic, as is anything pro-Kerry detractors put forward.
 
Mona said:
See, I don't understand this mindset. And yes, I objected when the right tried to saddle Clinton with responsibility for unemployment.

Even if you think a president can seriously affect the job market, it is not a short-term phenomenon. Lag time is at best months, more like years. I do not credit Bush for the current reasonably good economy. Anything he or his partisans say is bull(censored) on that topic, as is anything pro-Kerry detractors put forward.
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Well, my Christ on a crutch. I seldom use scatalogical words, but just did, and it seems we are programmed to replace the BS word with a "censored" message.

Who would have thought it, in a skeptics' forum.

I guess I should go back to Orson Scott Card's site. At least Mormons are predictable.
 
Mona said:

I guess I should go back to Orson Scott Card's site. At least Mormons are predictable.
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Dorian is entirely predictable. He's a kook who tried to pass himself off as a simple contrarian for long time. Try not to reply to his posts as it gets around having me having Mr. CIA Trained Bin Laden on ignore.

Keep posting and keep cursing. F*ck, d!ck, (censored), p*ssy, snot, mother penguin(censored)er.
 
Corplinx's real picture looks like his avatar, only it's not a cigar in his mouth.

And that way, you avoid having to be censored entirely, yet still get the point across.
 
corplinx said:

In fact, there is still a shortage of qualified american professional workers.

Walk into a large company and you will find H1B labor galore and it isn't because they are cheaper: its because the companies cant find the skills they need domestically.
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I was about to dispute that, but when I went down the list of software professionals I know (actual CS majors from real universities), yep, they've all got good jobs. I've got one and am regularly solicited for others. So I wouldn't be surprised if there actually is a labor shortage. There are companies out there which go the H1B route without making any good faith effort to recruit any locals, but any system can be abused.

And I agree that companies don't hire H1s because they're cheaper -- if they want cheaper, they just offshore the whole operation.

And no, I guess I don't have a point.
 
How much is just pre-election hype?

Currently, there are about 10 million out-sourced jobs (jobs operated by U.S. companies in foreign countries), accounting for 7 percent of domestic U.S. employment. The jobs are evenly split between manufacturing and other industries.

Out-sourcing also isn’t new. Out-sourced jobs as a percentage of total U.S. employment have ranged between 5 percent and 8 percent for 30 years.
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The latest statistics show in-sourcing accounts for more than 6.5 million jobs. Although out-sourced jobs exceed in-sourced employment, the gap has narrowed considerably in the past quarter century. In other words, there’s been a trend of foreign companies adding jobs in the United States faster than U.S. companies have increased jobs in foreign countries.
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Out and In: Jobs Both Leave and Enter the Country
 
WE all know that presidents don't create jobs or affect the economy much. But as long as Bush keeps claiming he does, I am going to keep blaming him for what happens.

Greenspan affected the economy much more than any president.
 
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