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Bush and Cheney Covered Up 9/11??

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The "truther" in me, is coming out! AHhhhhhh!

Not really, but something has been bugging me, and I'm sure you would all like to help:D.

I was thinking about the 9/11 Commission testimony of Pres. Bush and VP Cheney (not our beloved JREF'er). Why did the President refuse to testify without his VP Dick? I hear "truthers" bring this up all the time, so I'm sure there is something misleading about that statement.

I also couldn't find any related threads. Can someone please explain this?

I always thought that made them look like they were hiding something, and I also wondered why they were so adamant on tag-teaming the 9/11 Commission?:confused::o
 
The "truther" in me, is coming out! AHhhhhhh!

Not really, but something has been bugging me, and I'm sure you would all like to help:D.

I was thinking about the 9/11 Commission testimony of Pres. Bush and VP Cheney (not our beloved JREF'er). Why did the President refuse to testify without his VP Dick? I hear "truthers" bring this up all the time, so I'm sure there is something misleading about that statement.

I also couldn't find any related threads. Can someone please explain this?

I always thought that made them look like they were hiding something, and I also wondered why they were so adamant on tag-teaming the 9/11 Commission?:confused::o

Well take it or leave it but this is from the proverbial horses mouth:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/29/bush.911.commission/

"It was wide-ranging, it was important, it was just a good discussion," Bush told reporters in the White House Rose Garden, shortly after the closed-door session ended.

The entire 10-member bipartisan commission -- known formally as the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States -- attended the meeting in the Oval Office.

Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney answered questions from the commissioners for more than three hours.

The president dismissed suggestions that he appeared before the panel with Cheney to coordinate stories.

"If we had something to hide, we wouldn't have met with them in the first place," Bush said. "We answered all their questions."

The entire commision was there and to my knowledge no one objected to the arrangement. Neither was under oath since there was no commision mandate for that . They were not given the questions before hand so how could they have conspired to "get their story straight"?
 
Okay, so they testified before ten members, not two? Two is the CT number I was given.

Also, I hear that they were asked to testify seperately, under oath. Is that just flat out false, as well?
 
Bush said it was important for him and Cheney to appear together so that commission members could "see our body language... how we work together.

See now, this right here is the stuff I'm talking about. That sounds like Shitake mushrooms to me! Why would it be important to see "body language"? Something ain't right there.

Bush and Cheney had spent several hours over the past few days preparing, aides said.

Why?? Prepared to tell the truth?

Bush, for example, reviewed intelligence briefings from 2001 and spent time talking to Gonzales, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and chief of staff Andrew Card, who was traveling with Bush in Florida on the morning of the September 11, 2001, attacks. (Rice delivers tough defense of administration)

A senior administration official said Bush's preparations also included conversations with Cheney.

Officials said that among the documents prepared for both men to review were intelligence reports from the months and weeks before the attacks and what one senior official called "chronologies and other records of events in that time period

It sounds like they were getting something straight??
 
It seems obvious to me: When Bush speaks on any important issue he gives every impression of being a dunce. The arrangements for their testimony were a way to keep that from becoming painfully apparent at such a difficult time for the nation.
 
It seems obvious to me: When Bush speaks on any important issue he gives every impression of being a dunce. The arrangements for their testimony were a way to keep that from becoming painfully apparent at such a difficult time for the nation.

Yeah, I could believe that. It just seems like they took every step possible to look suspicious. I've seen a tape where this reporter is asking Bush why he won't testify alone, and he just keeps avoiding the question. Some people in here have seen it, I'm sure. I'm not saying they ordered 9/11, but can we easily dismiss that they might have been covering their, possibly neglegent, butts?

I think I've always been bothered by the fact that nobody was fired for dropping the ball on 9/11 either. That's an entirely seperate thread though.
 
The only people the 9/11 Commission specifically made testify under oath was the USAF officers, and that was only because they had already given incorrect information.

My suspicion is that the "shootdown" order was somewhat legally questionable, and Dick Cheney may have over stepped his authority by issuing it. I think they testified together to get their stories straight so they didn't get in trouble for exercising powers they had no authority to exercise.

That's my suspicion anyway.
 
I think I've always been bothered by the fact that nobody was fired for dropping the ball on 9/11 either. That's an entirely seperate thread though.


I think the most disturbing finding the 9/11 Commission made was that it was a systematic failure.

It's funny, most people see that as the 9/11 Commission trying to avoid finger pointing, avoiding pointing at FBI agent so-and-so or executive so-and-so and saying "it was him".

I see it differently.

The above scenario - in which someone is ultimately blamed for dropping the ball - has the unspoken confirmation that the system works, it's just this incompetent guy didn't do his job properly.

The 9/11 Commission's findings were far, far, worse than that; the system doesn't work, in fact the system is woefully unprepared for dealing with terrorism, and the system is incredibly vulnerable to future attacks.

That's much scarier. It's like the difference between "someone left the drawbridge down" and "our walls are useless".
 
I think the most disturbing finding the 9/11 Commission made was that it was a systematic failure.

It's funny, most people see that as the 9/11 Commission trying to avoid finger pointing, avoiding pointing at FBI agent so-and-so or executive so-and-so and saying "it was him".

I see it differently.

The above scenario - in which someone is ultimately blamed for dropping the ball - has the unspoken confirmation that the system works, it's just this incompetent guy didn't do his job properly.

The 9/11 Commission's findings were far, far, worse than that; the system doesn't work, in fact the system is woefully unprepared for dealing with terrorism, and the system is incredibly vulnerable to future attacks.

That's much scarier. It's like the difference between "someone left the drawbridge down" and "our walls are useless".

That's the most frightening, and profound thing I've read on JREF.
 
Dan, please keep in mind that not only would Bush and Cheney testifiy together, there could be no notes, no recordings, and no oath.

If you're truly curious what a complete whitewash the Commission Report was and how uncooperative the principles were, please read Philip Shenon's The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Commission Report.
 
Dan, please keep in mind that not only would Bush and Cheney testifiy together, there could be no notes, no recordings, and no oath.
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It's already been pointed out that not many other people took an oath either, including 9/11 denier favorite Norman Minetta.
 
I think I've always been bothered by the fact that nobody was fired for dropping the ball on 9/11 either. That's an entirely seperate thread though.

I think a majority of Americans feel that way. Bush and Cheney should have both been impeached followed by massive firings in every department of the federal government.

In addition, the media should hang it's head in shame for their failure to see what was coming. Anyone remember what the big news story was in the summer of 2001? Shark attacks in Florida! A week or so before 9/11 Tim Russert had Louis Farrakhan on Meet The Press and I still remember Russert rolling his eyes, probably thinking, "Isn't there any real news out there?"

In late August, 2001 I boarded an American Airlines flight from O'Hare to LaGuardia. Someone was already in my seat. I was asked to leave the plane and speak with the gate attendent. I could have left anything on that plane.

Disgraceful.

None of this however makes 9/11 an inside job. It doesn't mean there was a controlled demolition of the WTC or that a missile struck the Pentagon.
 
It's already been pointed out that not many other people took an oath either, including 9/11 denier favorite Norman Minetta.

Kind of takes the teeth out of the investigation don't you think?
 
Absolutely. I've done extensive research on this. (by watching "Perry Mason" reruns at 3 AM)
Inevitably, a person willing to murder someone else will break down and admit it if they're under oath.
 
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I think I've always been bothered by the fact that nobody was fired for dropping the ball on 9/11 either. That's an entirely seperate thread though.

I think a majority of Americans feel that way. Bush and Cheney should have both been impeached followed by massive firings in every department of the federal government.

In addition, the media should hang it's head in shame for their failure to see what was coming.

I don't really know how the majority of Americans feel about 9/11 in this regard, but I suspect you might be close to the truth. That's only a FEELING, not necessarily the correct analysis only because they didn't really understand the system prior to 9/11 and don't understand it now either. Gumboot has nailed it. It was a systemic failure, not necessarily the fault of any one person or agency. The system was the same for decades through several Administrations and if the jihadists has decided to attack then, it likely would have been no different.

The ONLY thing that would have prevented 9/11 that would have also been deemed acceptable to most Americans would have been better intelligence and apprehension of most of the hijackers. i.e. Busting the ring of perps by a Law Enforcement Agency prior to that day might have prevented it. Any other measure would have been deemed unacceptable by most Americans and/or Congress.

For example, greater and more effective airport screening security should have been implemented YEARS prior to 9/11. To most it is not acceptable now, nearly 7 years after the event. To think it would have been acceptable prior to 9/11 is a delusion.

Mandatory locking of cockpit door had been resisted by the airlines as too expensive and not justified by the threat.

NORAD should have been fixed shortly after the end of the Cold War during the Clinton Administration. By fixed, I mean better updated equipment and a transition to total protection of the American homeland (which was NOT a reality on 9/11), not just protection from an attack from abroad.

These are just a few examples of things that might have prevented 9/11 or maybe not. There are more. It is the very nature of war that enemies seek to exploit vulnerabilities and that is exactly what the perpetrators of 9/11 did. If we had fixed the things I've mention they likely would have found another way.

To blame Bush or Cheney or both is an exercise in finding a scapegoat for years of neglect. In a way, it was everyone's fault. Another attack is likely and may or may not be prevented, but it's less likely now due to the massive amount of changes and measures that have been implemented since 9/11. Isn't it odd that most Americans are unhappy with many of the changes that have implemented. Without 9/11 those changes would likely still not have been implemented even today.

No, the resistance that has been interpreted as a "cover up" was simply people protecting their own behind as all politicians are inclined to do. We would gain absolutely nothing by punishing anyone other than a "feel good" attitude by certain elements of our society that something had been done.

9/11 was not a defeat, it was just a significant blow to our psyche and vividly demonstrated that we are not invulnerable. It was not any one individual's fault, it was everyone's fault.
 
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That's much scarier. It's like the difference between "someone left the drawbridge down" and "our walls are useless".

And exactly why mainstream media reporters such as Carl Prine are far more valuable to our understanding of terrorism and vulnerability to terrorism than anything the CT community can produce.
 
I think a majority of Americans feel that way. Bush and Cheney should have both been impeached followed by massive firings in every department of the federal government.

Yes, those nincompoops at Agriculture are to blame.

Seriously, though, most of us here who've looked into the matter carefully tend to agree; there was no massive incompetence involved in 9-11. Were mistakes made? Certainly, just as mistakes were made prior to Pearl Harbor. Does it come close to the level of an impeachable offense? None of the Democrats thought so at the time, and Kucinich is the only one who thinks so now.
 
I think the most disturbing finding the 9/11 Commission made was that it was a systematic failure.

It's funny, most people see that as the 9/11 Commission trying to avoid finger pointing, avoiding pointing at FBI agent so-and-so or executive so-and-so and saying "it was him".

I see it differently.

The above scenario - in which someone is ultimately blamed for dropping the ball - has the unspoken confirmation that the system works, it's just this incompetent guy didn't do his job properly.

The 9/11 Commission's findings were far, far, worse than that; the system doesn't work, in fact the system is woefully unprepared for dealing with terrorism, and the system is incredibly vulnerable to future attacks.

That's much scarier. It's like the difference between "someone left the drawbridge down" and "our walls are useless".


I agree with Gumboot's analysis. We are more comfortable with an identifiable villain or group of villains. The idea that the entire framework for protecting the nation against terrorist attacks rested on wrongheaded assumptions is scary as hell. If someone doesn't do his job, we can get rid of that person. Rooting out conceptual flaws in our approach to the problem, transcending the inevitable counterproductive, myopic partisan wrangling, is a vastly more difficult task.
 

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