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tyr_13

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A friend on facebook put up a video of some news report on a girl who is treating her ADHD with chiropracty. This got me thinking of all the other bs treatments out there for ADHD.

Now this girl was having great results, which leads me to believe she never had ADHD in the first place, or is enjoying the placebo effect. I have ADD, and have tried many treatments, none of which involved a guy yelling at me or spinal manipulation. I do go to a 'chiropractor' (actually his doctorate is in neurology and has a degree in physical therapy as well) but that's for my back. At no time has he ever suggested using body manipulation for anything other than pain treatment.

What other bad ADHD treatments do you all know of? There is of course the famous crazy ones, like 'behavioral modification' which is just the aforementioned guy yelling, and 'salvation treatments' (i.e. "God will cure all"). But what about other, less obvious, ones?

Also, if you all want, we can add the misdiagnosed ADHD craze into the mix. I've actually had people say they have ADHD but medication makes them hyper and mental exercises don't work. That's pretty much a sure fire way to tell if you don't have ADHD.
 
My son is an autistic savant, and he also has ADHD. He takes Adderall, and it works very well.

For some time, though, before he began the medication, his teachers and aides felt that the behavioral therapies we use for his autism would work with his ADHD. They DID work to a small degree, but not to the point that his ADHD ceased to be a stumbling block to his progress. As well, at home, he was almost impossible to control-and that was with two parents who can handle aberrant behavior better than some, because we were accustomed to a degree of it as a symptom of his autism.

I'm not against such therapies for ADHD, but, depending on the case, I'm don't think they should be recommended as a singular treatment. (We still use them, but we've found they work better in cooperation with the medication-and using the therapies has allowed us to keep his Adderall dosage fairly low.)

The only positive result I could see, when it comes to chiropractic treatment on ADHD patients, is the release of stress or tension through spinal manipulation. That might lessen the symptoms of the ADHD to some degree, but. like the behavioral therapies, I don't think it should be recommended as a definitive treatment.

That said, having worked in schools on and off as an aide to autistic kids, I've seen examples of misdiagnosed ADHD among the 'mainstream' kids. Like you say, when the medication makes them hyper - it's not ADHD. That's an almost foolproof way to tell, especially if you know how the medications are supposed to work, and what effect they should have.

I've also seem some kids who DID have ADHD, and were overmedicated. They were like little zombies. And I've seen parents who were satisfied with that, since they no longer had to deal with the hyperactivity. That's sad, to me.
 
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I agree. Both of my brothers have ADHD, and I have the less common 'introvert' ADD. The difference is I don't tend to get hyper. My older brother is also autistic to some degree, and he is still on medication. Behavioral treatment helps, for some people more than others, and others just can't operate without medication. My younger brother has learned to use his ADHD and suppress it to some degree without medication.

I can operate fine without meds, but I'm much, MUCH, more happy, healthy, and productive on them. It's a constant battle, especially because without health insurance, I can't afford my Conserta. Adderall worked well for me for about two years until I built a resistance to it, like I did to all the other meds before it. Been on Conserta for about three years now. It isn't as effective as Adderall was at first, but I haven't needed higher and higher doses of it either.
 
I can operate fine without meds, but I'm much, MUCH, more happy, healthy, and productive on them.

This is one of the reasons, when I meet parents of ADHD kids, that they at least attempt medication. My son, like you, is much happier, more productive, and decidedly more communicative when he is on the meds. The ADHD, combined with the autism, was a real struggle for him-once he started the medication, it was as if he emerged from a locked room inside his mind.

It's a constant battle, especially because without health insurance, I can't afford my Conserta. Adderall worked well for me for about two years until I built a resistance to it, like I did to all the other meds before it. Been on Conserta for about three years now. It isn't as effective as Adderall was at first, but I haven't needed higher and higher doses of it either.

Do you live in the US? Have you ever tried applying for Medicaid? They do recognize ADHD as a disability, so I presume they must do the same with ADD. They may be able to help you with some, if not all, of the costs.
 
Not sure if this was the sort of thing you were looking for, but my neighborhood drugstore has, in a very prominent place next to the pharmacy counter, an enormous display of a herbal concoction of some sort that is called, simply, ADD. In big, prominent letters, the rack proclaims that ADD is scientifically studied! I pulled one of the brochures from the rack one day while waiting for my medication. It gave a list of studies pertaining to the pills and the supposed science behind them, only one of which (an unpublished conference paper by someone at one of the local children's hospitals) actually involved testing the medicine.

That study was summarized right there in the brochure. It was a no-control-group (hence unblinded) study whose primary outcome measure was whether or not the parents of the study children said they would continue using the pills after the study ended. Oh, and only the families who finished the study were counted in that oh-so-enlightening statistic. The families who dropped out were in no way accounted for. That was the best they could do, science-wise, and they put it right there in their brochure. If it weren't so desperately sad, it would be hilarious.

Oh, and the recommended dosage? Something like six pills a day. Real pleasant for the kids.
 
Somewhat sidebar:

I keep resisting suggestions from well-meaning acquaintances that I should get my daughter "tested" for possible ADD/ADHD. She's perfectly well able to pay attention much of the time, but she's more physically active than the average kid, and gets "antsy" if she doesn't get to work out her excess energy a couple of times a day.

I've kept an eye on how she responds to different drugs--specifically, caffeine and pseudophedrine (sp? the stuff in sudafed) as uppers, and antihistamines as downers--to see if she has any inverse effect from them, and she doesn't. She is at or above normal level for her age in school, except for penmanship, and manages to memorize skating routines and take skating lessons in a rink that is abuzz with other moving bodies.

But I'm sure that I could find a doc that would call her "ADD" since she is distractible. Heck, so am I! She is very good at spotting wildlife when we're driving, and noticing interesting mathematical relationships in random numbers. We have done some behavioral mod, like checklists and a clear work space, that help a lot.

I hate to see kids being identified/labelled as having a psychological or medical problem when they simply are one standard deviation into the "annoying to parents" curve. I truly believe that we are expecting our kids to behave in a way that is historically and biologically inappropriate. Even compared to my childhood, less than 50 years ago, the amount of physical activity expected of kids is less, and the amount of stimulation without physical motion (TV and video games) is almost immeasurably higher.

You really hit a hot button on me with that comment. I have thought for years that ADHD/ADD diagnosis was being overdone in this country, and I believe the same thing is now true for "Autism Spectrum Disorders". Sadly, as long as there are programs to provide medication, "respite care" for exhausted parents, behavioral therapy for the kids, and special assistance at school, there is an enormous incentive for the family to try to get that diagnosis--since having a "difficult child" gets you bupkus.

Just my thoughts, MK
 
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I hate to see kids being identified/labelled as having a psychological or medical problem when they simply are one standard deviation into the "annoying to parents" curve. I truly believe that we are expecting our kids to behave in a way that is historically and biologically inappropriate. Even compared to my childhood, less than 50 years ago, the amount of physical activity expected of kids is less, and the amount of stimulation without physical motion (TV and video games) is almost immeasurably higher.

I wholeheartedly agree with you.

You really hit a hot button on me with that comment. I have thought for years that ADHD/ADD diagnosis was being overdone in this country, and I believe the same thing is now true for "Autism Spectrum Disorders". Sadly, as long as there are programs to provide medication, "respite care" for exhausted parents, behavioral therapy for the kids, and special assistance at school, there is an enormous incentive for the family to try to get that diagnosis--since having a "difficult child" gets you bupkus.

Just my thoughts, MK

I wholeheartedly agree with you.

In my own defense, though, my husband and I are not among those parents who fall into that category. That is a hot button for us. Our son is an extremely low functioning autistic who began to display symptoms when he was 2-2 1/2. We thought, at the time, that he was just a "late talker" - it was during a routine immunization that his nurse noticed certain other signs, and initiated testing. He was diagnosed, formally, when he was 4, and we were devastated. We would have done anything to avoid that diagnosis, but it was inescapable. Prior to the official diagnosis, we searched out every kind of test possible in the hope of ruling out autism. He did not begin verbally communicating until he was 9, and, even today, his communication is extremely limited-aside from his musical savantism. When it came to the behavioral therapies, we've done everything we can to educate ourselves on as many techniques as possible, in order to take on the larger part of the responsibility of employing those therapies, instead of relying on teachers and aides to do so. We have never used respite care-he's never even had a babysitter for even one day in 14 years-and, although he has always been in special needs classes by necessity, I have always been his school aide, instead of relying on the school to provide one. He turned 15 today, and we've gladly been responsible for the lion's share of every aspect of his care and development every step of the way.

When it came to the ADHD, again, we did all we could to avoid that diagnosis, and managed with the behavioral therapies for nearly five years after he first began displaying symptoms of hyperactivity. Again, we attempted every test possible to rule out ADHD, instead of running towards that diagnosis. I was very strongly opposed to the idea of putting him on the amphetamine medication-the thought of giving my child amphetamine was repugnant. In the end, though, the hyperactivity reached the point where he became physically violent, and he could not concentrate on anything for more than a few seconds. It so hampered his progress that it left me with little choice but to seek additional treatment. As well, at 6'0 and 165 pounds, it was becoming increasingly difficult to restrain him when he had a violent outburst-and we have a smaller child that that posed a danger to. Today, I don't regret the decision to put him on medication - it has made a significant difference for him - but we still do whatever we can so he can maintain on a low dosage, and avoid the 'zombie' state.

Believe me, we did everything we could to avoid both diagnoses, and taking advantage of the 'system' for the perks and pluses was not an incentive for us. He does receive SSDI and he is on Medicaid, but it has only been in the last year that we signed up for that, because the cost of the medication was so prohibitively expensive. (I avoided SSDI for a long time - it still feels like a 'handout' to me, and I hate that, but getting him into the 'system' was important, in the interest of the long term care he will need.)

We would both give anything for it all to be very different, and for our boy to be 'normal'. We love him devotedly, he is our angel, but it still wrenches our hearts to think of the things he will never do or have because of the limitations of his autism. In working at the schools, I do meet a lot of parents like us, where the autism and the ADHD are legitimate problems, and not a means to avoid coping with a 'difficult' child.

I also meet parents of the other type-which is why I wholeheartedly agree with you. Many 'legitimate' parents get lumped into that category, so I'm presenting 'our' point of view. :)
 
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Behavioral strategies work for some people with ADD, as in those strategies where the person practices attention and redirection. Then behavioral interventions can helop some with the emotional overload.

However as with anything the severity of symptoms is inversely related to the success of purely behavioral interventions.
 
Somewhat sidebar:

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You really hit a hot button on me with that comment. I have thought for years that ADHD/ADD diagnosis was being overdone in this country, and I believe the same thing is now true for "Autism Spectrum Disorders". Sadly, as long as there are programs to provide medication, "respite care" for exhausted parents, behavioral therapy for the kids, and special assistance at school, there is an enormous incentive for the family to try to get that diagnosis--since having a "difficult child" gets you bupkus.

Just my thoughts, MK

Bipolar disorder in kids has been hot, also. A new epidemic.
 
Im a little sick and tired of looking for treatments of diseases. Why doesnt anyone look for CURES?
 
Not sure if this was the sort of thing you were looking for, but my neighborhood drugstore has, in a very prominent place next to the pharmacy counter, an enormous display of a herbal concoction of some sort that is called, simply, ADD. In big, prominent letters, the rack proclaims that ADD is scientifically studied! I pulled one of the brochures from the rack one day while waiting for my medication. It gave a list of studies pertaining to the pills and the supposed science behind them, only one of which (an unpublished conference paper by someone at one of the local children's hospitals) actually involved testing the medicine.

That study was summarized right there in the brochure. It was a no-control-group (hence unblinded) study whose primary outcome measure was whether or not the parents of the study children said they would continue using the pills after the study ended. Oh, and only the families who finished the study were counted in that oh-so-enlightening statistic. The families who dropped out were in no way accounted for. That was the best they could do, science-wise, and they put it right there in their brochure. If it weren't so desperately sad, it would be hilarious.

Oh, and the recommended dosage? Something like six pills a day. Real pleasant for the kids.

Dr. Frank's all natural Homeopathic ADHD cure!

Yes, that is exactly the kind of thing I was looking for. Thank you.
 
Im a little sick and tired of looking for treatments of diseases. Why doesnt anyone look for CURES?

I'm hoping for retro-virus genetic alteration to cure everything, from my bad back to the fact that my hair doesn't yet reach my ankles (and isn't bright blue).
 
Desertgal -- Thanks for the comments, and I'd like to state very clearly that I know
there are kids who do have these problems and need assistance, and I am not saying, implying, or thinking that there are not. I have seen the legitimate and the questionable folks and their kids at various functions--we have a friend with an ADS child that we've known since he was a baby--and I hate to see resources that the first group needs diverted to people who don't want to turn their TV off and pay attention to their child's legitimate needs.

I'm assuming there are a lot of "nutritional treatments" for ADD / ADHD; I know there are for ASDs. I even know one woman who let a quack push on her arm while she looked at pictures of various foods to determine what diet she needed to be on! (Really, I am not making that up. I don't think I could, I'm not that inventive...) This, btw, was the woman who expected me to respectfully refrain from commenting on her latest New Age health "find", but would attack conventional medicine any time I mentioned it as, "More trust in the Pill Pushers!" This kind of imbalance in courtesy seems to be as prevalent in health discussions as it is in religion...Sorry for the sidetrack.

Makaya -- Why do you think no one looks for cures? First of all, some treatments result in cures. For conditions where that is not true, people do look for cures; but often, before the cause can be determined, means are found to treat the symptoms to make the patient more comfortable and more functional. In some cases, treating the symptoms is all that is needed, until the body can repair itself: This is true for the common cold and most muscle strains, for example.

In the case of a neurological problem, though, it may be impossible to find a cure until and unless we can actually regenerate nerve tissue. In that case, treatment to ameliorate the effects is all that is available. Are you suggesting that's a waste of time and effort?

Tyr -- Hey, buddy, you're about to hit your 1,000th post! Pay attention, I missed mine completely.

Miss Kitt
 

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