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Britain and Torture

Ryokan

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Previously secret papers show true extent of involvement in abduction and torture following al-Qaida attacks of 2001
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Among the most damning documents are a series of interrogation reports from MI5 officers that betray their disregard for the suffering of a British resident whom they were questioning at a US airbase in Afghanistan. The documents also show that the officers were content to see the mistreatment continue.
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So far just 900 papers have been disclosed, and these have included batches of press cuttings and copies of government reports that were published several years ago. However, a number of highly revealing documents are among the released papers, as well as fragments of heavily censored emails, memos and policy documents.

Some are difficult to decipher, but together they paint a picture of a government that was determined not only to stand shoulder to shoulder with the United States as it embarked upon its programme of "extraordinary rendition" and torture of terrorism suspects in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, but to actively participate in that programme.
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For shame.
 
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If it turns out as it seems it will that we were actively complicit in torture then it is beyond shameful and those that carried out such actions or authorised them or in any colluded to make it happen should be prosecuted.
 
I guess, although a very important issue and a potential red hot topic, there's not really much to say about it?
 
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What can you say? Who can we vote for to be sure this doesn't happen, or at least can't happen again? There's no excusing it. Washington says "jump" and Downing Street says "how high?" It makes me sick. But I don't know whom you can put into Downing Street and be sure they won't do exactly the same thing.

Rolfe.
 
I hope there is more spine on your side of the Atlantic to pursue this. A full investigation would likely shed some light on our own Cowboy-In-Chief and his band of merry men.
 
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Ryokan said:
I guess, although a very important issue and a potential red hot topic, there's not really much to say about it?
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Nope - you can't defend the indefensible.

Perhaps once it is all out in the open (so to speak) we can reflect further on it and what steps need to be taken to ensure those responsible face justice and that those affected receive what recompense we can make.

I would like to see some form of judicial review panel set-up to work with the CPS to bring those responsible to trial as quickly as possible. This should not be buried under some 5 year long inquiry that concentrates on how and why it happened. We don't need to know that to start prosecutions, we can have the "how and why" inquiry after the prosecutions.
 
SezMe said:
I hope there is more spine on your side of the Atlantic to pursue this. A full investigation would likely shed some light on our own Cowboy-In-Chief and his band of merry men.
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There is somewhat more of a chance of that happening as all this happened under the last Labour governments, the Tories and their performing poodles don't have to take any responsibility for what happened and can use it politically to attack Labour.
 
Rolfe said:
What can you say? Who can we vote for to be sure this doesn't happen, or at least can't happen again? There's no excusing it. Washington says "jump" and Downing Street says "how high?" It makes me sick. But I don't know whom you can put into Downing Street and be sure they won't do exactly the same thing.

Rolfe.
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Are we supposed to believe that Downing Street was complicit?
 
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It's not necessarily about detailed complicity in any one incident, it's about Blair being quite obviously Bush's poodle, and creating a climate where we just supported the US blindly at all levels of engagement. There's also the matter of the "extraordinary rendition " (kidnap) flights that were allowed to stop and refuel at Prestwixk, and this being denied.

Rolfe.
 
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It's not necessarily about detailed complicity in any one incident, it's about Blair being quite obviously Bush's poodle, and creating a climate where we just supported the US blindly at all levels of engagement.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I'd suggest that the direction of your rage be directed towards those who actually carried out the wicked deeds. After all, they weren't just empty automatons.

And despite Blair being Bush's doormat, and despite what he may have thought in private, there is no evidence of him ever justifying torture, and plenty of evidence of him and Brown saying the opposite.
 
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it's about Blair being quite obviously Bush's poodle
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Evidence? Other than that they were close allies who agreed a lot - or does that automatically convey poodle status? (Was Churchill the poodle of FDR?)
 
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