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Bombing in Riyadh

renata

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Last news I heard was that State Department estimates 91 dead and hundreds injured. This appeared to be a very bold attack, and details are still on the way. For one, I wonder how they gained entrance to the communities, which I thought would be on high alert.

While the whole situation makes me angry, do you think this will have an eventual positive effect? Perhaps this is the jolt Saudis needed to stop paying off ultra religious groups, and crack down on them.
 
It makes me sad, I can hope that it would scare people into not supporting terrorism.

Hard to believe that good can come of evil

Peace
 
Seems like about 10 days ago the State Dept put out a very strongly worded warning that an attack almost exactly like this was imminent in Saudi Arabia. This could be the first time they got it right, unfortunately.

Saudi Arabia is a mess. We should push for Democracy and live with the outcome.
 
I assume this attack is the work of some organisation affiliated to Al Q.

Their main original complaint was that the US had troops in Saudi. As both the troops and the command centre are being removed it looks as if Al Q don't know how to take "yes" for an answer.
 
According to one article, the compound's security force exchange fire with the bombers and may have prevented an even larger loss of life.
 
Remember last week?

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - Suspected terrorists who had been planning attacks in Saudi Arabia targeted the royal family as well as American and British interests, and received orders directly from Osama bin Laden, a senior security official said Thursday.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the prime targets were the defense minister, Prince Sultan, and his brother, the interior minister, Prince Nayef.

On Wednesday, authorities said they foiled plans by at least 19 suspected terrorists to carry out strikes and seized a large cache of weapons and explosives in the capital.

All escaped after a gunfight with police.
 
renata said:
Last news I heard was that State Department estimates 91 dead and hundreds injured. This appeared to be a very bold attack, and details are still on the way. For one, I wonder how they gained entrance to the communities, which I thought would be on high alert.

While the whole situation makes me angry, do you think this will have an eventual positive effect? Perhaps this is the jolt Saudis needed to stop paying off ultra religious groups, and crack down on them.

I have read that the Saudis leaders cultivated fundamentalist religion as a means of keeping themselves in power. If they had gone for the educated and liberal path, they probably saw that they would be kicked out by an educated majority wanting democracy.

Well, as they sow, so shall they reap. GWB take note.
 
Some reports I heard on BBC suggested the bombings may even be the work of a Al Q2, a splinter terrorist organization with the same agenda as Al Q. Guess everyone's just speculating at the moment and it may take a week or two before anybody can point a finger with utter conviction.
 
Nikk said:
I assume this attack is the work of some organisation affiliated to Al Q.

Their main original complaint was that the US had troops in Saudi. As both the troops and the command centre are being removed it looks as if Al Q don't know how to take "yes" for an answer.

For propaganda purposes it makes sense for them to strike now. Then they can claim to their followers that it was the 9/11 event that prompted the US decision to withdraw its troops from Saudi Arabia -- and that it was the recent attack that set things in motion. Potential suicide bombers need to feel they can make a difference, aside from merely killing innocent people.
 
Recent developments

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=1&u=/ap/20030514/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saudi_attacks

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - Saudi Arabia acknowledged gaps in security and revealed Wednesday that 15 Saudis carried out the deadly car bomb attacks in Riyadh — a startling admission for a kingdom that took five months to confirm most of the Sept. 11 suicide hijackers were Saudi.


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Saudi officials, stung by criticism that they did too little to combat militancy ahead of the Sept. 11 attacks, have taken pains to show unusual openness and determination in the wake of Monday's attacks.

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The attacks came as the United States was withdrawing most of its 5,000 troops from Saudi Arabia, a presence bin Laden has used as a pretext for attacks.

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U.S. Ambassador Robert Jordan said the United States sought in vain before Monday to get security tightened around Western residential compounds in Riyadh amid warnings of possible attacks.


"As soon as we learned of this particular threat information, we contacted the Saudi government," Jordan said on CBS' "The Early Show" Wednesday. "We continue to work with the Saudis on this, but they did not, as of the time of this tragic event, provide the additional security we requested."


Prince Saud told reporters he had "not heard of this" but said the government has always fulfilled any requests by the American or other embassies for additional security.


However, he admitted there were security lapses, saying Saudis should "look within themselves and see whether we have done enough to preserve the security of our nation."

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Washington and Riyadh have been at odds in the past over how to handle terror investigations, including probes into the deadly 1996 Khobar Towers attacks in which the United States expressed frustration at the lack of access to witnesses and suspects.

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The Saudi government has said the attacks are connected to 19 al-Qaida operatives who engaged in a gunfight with police in Riyadh on May 6 and escaped, though one later surrendered. Interior Minister Prince Nayef said the 19 are believed to take orders directly from bin Laden.

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Here is a good prospect on the situation.

All roads in the crisis of the Arab and Muslim world eventually lead back to Riyadh. There the roadblock to Arab modernity is situated and it is that lack of modernity that ultimately imperils the international peace, not Palestinian-Israeli relations. The Saudi ruling family, de facto owners of the world’s largest oil reserves, are caught in a cruel historical vice. To buttress their hold on power, internally and externally, they have encouraged and funded the extremist Wahabbi Islamic sect for decades. It is this religious current that has fomented anti-Western feelings from Afghanistan to Bradford.
All roads in the crisis of the Arab and Muslim world eventually lead back to Riyadh. There the roadblock to Arab modernity is situated and it is that lack of modernity that ultimately imperils the international peace, not Palestinian-Israeli relations. The Saudi ruling family, de facto owners of the world’s largest oil reserves, are caught in a cruel historical vice. To buttress their hold on power, internally and externally, they have encouraged and funded the extremist Wahabbi Islamic sect for decades. It is this religious current that has fomented anti-Western feelings from Afghanistan to Bradford.

The more reformist-minded members of the Saudi dynasty would like to reduce their links with the Frankenstein monster they have created, but cannot do so without provoking unrest at home or encouraging violent militant factions such as that of Osama bin Laden. An example concerns a recent fire in a girls’ school in Riyadh. The Wahabbi religious police drove the fleeing girls back into the burning building because their heads were uncovered. The Saudi ruling elite were appalled, mostly because they were worried about foreign opinion. But proposals to curb the religious police were hastily withdrawn in the wake of criticism from the Wahabbi mullahs, who have extended their influence over thousands of unemployed young men in the ailing Saudi economy.
http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/leaders.cfm?id=546792003
 
The bombings are terrible and I condemn them completely.

In relation to supplying support to ultra religious groups has America offered support to terrorist dictators within the last twenty years knowing that they were terrorising their own people or supplied arms to ultra religious groups?

Is America or any American corporations supplying aid of any kind to ultra religious states or political groups anywhere around the world at the present time?
 
Baker said:
Here is a good prospect on the situation.


In encouraging fundamentalism the Saudi ruling family may well have made a noose for their own necks.

But more generally in the muslim world it is surely the oppression, greed and absolutism of the rulers all over the region which has created the conditions in which simplistic old time religions have an appeal. This cannot be blamed on the Saudi's. The "all roads in the crisis.....lead back to Riyadh argument" is a misperception. The arab states need to be encouraged to reform individually.

For the US to put pressure on Israel to give the Palestinians a generous deal would be easier and bring more benefits than trying to clear the supposed Riyadh roadblock. Without that issue to distract their attention the arab populace could then give serious thought to the more pressing problem of which lamposts they want to hang their rulers from.:D
 

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