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Black Boxes from Flights 11 & 175

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Can someone clarify for me what happened to the “black boxes” from flights 11 and 175? Didn’t two FDNY firefighters say they found the black boxes but were supposedly told to hush up about it by the FBI? Was their story at all credible? Thanks in advance.
 
Can someone clarify for me what happened to the “black boxes” from flights 11 and 175? Didn’t two FDNY firefighters say they found the black boxes but were supposedly told to hush up about it by the FBI? Was their story at all credible? Thanks in advance.

See http://www.oilempire.us/black-boxes.html for a few reports.

Credibility issues:

It's already claimed by many that the Government faked finding black boxes at the Pentagon and Shanksville. If they did so there, why not do the same thing at the WTC? Makes no sense.

If they were so important that the government would have to lie about NOT finding them, then why wait until October (I think) before you start looking for them? And why take a witness along, who you then have to tell to shut up about what they've done?

The story goes that three of the black boxes were recovered, apparently all in the same day, with no particular talk of any digging or great difficulty in recovery. How likely is that, considering there were still fires burning on the site, for instance, and cleanup had only been under way for a relatively short time? None of that makes much sense to me...
 
Oh, and also... The OilEmpire link from above quotes a story saying:

A source at the National Transportation Safety Board, the agency that has the task of deciphering the date from the black boxes retrieved from crash sites-including those that are being handled as crimes and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI-says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB.
"Off the record, we had the boxes," the source says. "You'd have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here."

But then also says:
That federal authorities, across agencies, perpetuate a lie regarding the recovery of the World Trade Center black boxes strongly suggests that both the voice and the flight data recorders contained information that would seriously damage, if not outright deflate, the Great Myth to Make War By. (I say "contained" because I expect they were effectively destroyed shortly after falling into federal hands.)

So the story tells us that the boxes had to be "effectively destroyed" because they contained vitally important information that could destroy the 9/11 cover story. And to prove this, it quotes a source saying how the boxes were delivered to the NTSB so they could work on them. Am I the only one to see a contradiction here?!
 
Can someone clarify for me what happened to the “black boxes” from flights 11 and 175? Didn’t two FDNY firefighters say they found the black boxes but were supposedly told to hush up about it by the FBI? Was their story at all credible? Thanks in advance.

It wasn't two firefighters, it was one honorary firefighter who was trying to promote his book. He was later arrested for stealing equipment from the FDNY.
 
Just out of curiosity, what information could the boxes contain that would DISPROVE the official story?


Perhaps the whirring of the gyros used to control the aircraft by remote?

Or maybe an old rusted US Government robot creaking "Oil!"

-Gumboot
 
Credibility issues:

It's already claimed by many that the Government faked finding black boxes at the Pentagon and Shanksville. If they did so there, why not do the same thing at the WTC? Makes no sense.

That's a good point I hadn't thought of. It reminds me of another post I read recently that said the U.S. couldn't be bothered to plant WMD in Iraq but of course they put all this effort into faking black boxes and using voice-morphing technology to trick victims relatives. I wish the conspiracy liars could make up their mind: is the federal government brilliant or filled with a bunch of morons?
 
It wasn't two firefighters, it was one honorary firefighter who was trying to promote his book. He was later arrested for stealing equipment from the FDNY.

Hey James, do you have more information on this?
 
Hey James, do you have more information on this?
Actually, it was one firefighter, Nicholas Demasi, and his friend "honorary firefighter" Mike Bellone, neither of whom will confirm the story since the self-published book Behind the Scenes: Ground Zero came out in 2003. Their story is not credible in any way. Here's what Demasi said:

At one point I was assigned to take Federal Agents around the site to search for the black boxes from the planes. There were a total of four black boxes. We found three.
How were they searching? They were driving a golf-cart like ATV. Somehow, while driving around the site months after the collapses, amongst billions of pounds of rubble, they turn up three “black boxes” from two aircraft! These devices must have been on top of the rubble, yet they remained unseen by the thousands of other people there (the boxes are orange, not black, and it is highly unlikely that recorders from AA11 would have wound up in the same vicinity as recorders from UA175).

Then, this huge news doesn’t get reported at the time and Demasi doesn’t tell the 9/11 Commission or anyone else? Instead he tells the story in a self-published book? Any red flags going up?

The only article referencing Bellone's version that I’ve been able to find is in the American Free Press, and we’ve seen how accurate and honest their reporting is. In the undated article, which states that the recorders were found “before January, 2002,” Bellone says of the FBI agents on the scene,

"They confronted me and told me to not to say anything,” recalled Bellone, referring to one of three reddish-orange boxes with two white stripes he saw in the back of DeMasi’s ATV. “I said, ‘Give me a good reason.’ When they couldn’t, I told them I wouldn’t shut up about it.

“Why should I? I have nothing to hide and nothing to gain. It’s the truth, and Nick and I are sticking to our story as we always have.” Source
If that is so, what has Mr. Bellone done to get the word out? Has he filed lawsuits or even FOIA requests? He mentions that only one other newspaper has interviewed him. Has he taken his story to the legitimate press? How about a website? Nothing.

The only “corroboration” I’ve been able to find for DeMasi and Bellone’s story is this anonymous-source piece at Counterpunch:

Now there is stronger evidence that something is amiss than simply the alleged non-recovery of all four of those boxes. A source at the National Transportation Safety Board, the agency that has the task of deciphering the date from the black boxes retrieved from crash sites-including those that are being handled as crimes and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI-says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB.

"Off the record, we had the boxes," the source says. "You'd have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here."

The official word from the NTSB is that the WTC crash site black boxes never turned up. "No recorders were recovered from the World Trade Center," says the NTSB's Lopatkiewicz. "At least none were delivered to us by the FBI." He adds that the agency has "always had a good relationship' with the FBI and that in all prior crime-related crashes or flight incidents, they have brought the boxes to the NTSB for analysis. Source
 
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Also the only black boxes that survived from any of the 4 planes were the ones that had the fires put out at the crash site.
 
Also the only black boxes that survived from any of the 4 planes were the ones that had the fires put out at the crash site.
which coincidentally are also the ones that didnt have 11-0 story skyscrapers fall on top of them

How were they searching? They were driving a golf-cart like ATV. Somehow, while driving around the site months after the collapses, amongst billions of pounds of rubble, they turn up three “black boxes” from two aircraft! These devices must have been on top of the rubble, yet they remained unseen by the thousands of other people there (the boxes are orange, not black, and it is highly unlikely that recorders from AA11 would have wound up in the same vicinity as recorders from UA175).
like a lot of CTer "evidence" this story would actually be much more suspicious if it were true, lol
 
Then, this huge news doesn’t get reported at the time and Demasi doesn’t tell the 9/11 Commission or anyone else? Instead he tells the story in a self-published book? Any red flags going up?

Thanks for the info Gravy. Sounds like these two aren't CTer (or else we would have heard more from them), but rather wanted to make themselves look important and got caught up in a lie they couldn't control.
 
Actually, it was one firefighter, Nicholas Demasi, and his friend "honorary firefighter" Mike Bellone, neither of whom will confirm the story since the self-published book Behind the Scenes: Ground Zero came out in 2003. Their story is not credible in any way. Here's what Demasi said:

How were they searching? They were driving a golf-cart like ATV. Somehow, while driving around the site months after the collapses, amongst billions of pounds of rubble, they turn up three “black boxes” from two aircraft! These devices must have been on top of the rubble, yet they remained unseen by the thousands of other people there (the boxes are orange, not black, and it is highly unlikely that recorders from AA11 would have wound up in the same vicinity as recorders from UA175).

Then, this huge news doesn’t get reported at the time and Demasi doesn’t tell the 9/11 Commission or anyone else? Instead he tells the story in a self-published book? Any red flags going up?

The only article referencing Bellone's version that I’ve been able to find is in the American Free Press, and we’ve seen how accurate and honest their reporting is. In the undated article, which states that the recorders were found “before January, 2002,” Bellone says of the FBI agents on the scene,

If that is so, what has Mr. Bellone done to get the word out? Has he filed lawsuits or even FOIA requests? He mentions that only one other newspaper has interviewed him. Has he taken his story to the legitimate press? How about a website? Nothing.

The only “corroboration” I’ve been able to find for DeMasi and Bellone’s story is this anonymous-source piece at Counterpunch:
WOW so the ruthless NWO is willing to slaughter 1000's yet Bellone was allowed to live after telling that he wouldn't keep quiet?
 

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