Bin Laden vs Al Capone

[PhantomWolf]

“The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.” -Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI-Rex Tomb- June 5,2006

9/11 CT's like to point to the above quote as a "proof" that OBL wasn't behind 9/11. So in the same way I am going to prove that Al Capone wasn't behind the Valentine Day's Massacre.

Though the idea was created by Jack 'Machine Gun' McGurn, a high profile Al Capone gang member and then was planned out by McGurn and Capone. Though the crime itself was carried out by five members of Capone's Gang, and Capone hired look outs for the job, Capone himself was in Florida at the time. He is also reported to have stated "I don't give a damn killing those people".

However.... No-one was ever arrested for these murders even though it was well known who was behind them. In fact though believed to be responsible for numerous murders Capone was never arrested for murder, nor racketing or bootlegging. This fact obviously means that Capone was never involved in these activities because if he was, then there would have been hard evidence linking him to them, and he would have been charged. Since he wasn't, he can't have done them.

One final thing I would also note. Crimes are only listed on a Wanted sheet after the suspect is indicted. Indictment is only done when there is sufficient evidence that would be allowed in a courtroom. Currently there is no evidence that would be accepted in a court of law the OBL was behind 9/11 since there are no willing witnesses to his involvement and all his confessions are inadmissible. However the same should be noted about Capone and the St Valentine Day Massacre and there is no reason to dispute that he was behind that.

 

[T.A.M.]

I appreciate you making this thread, I have tried to make the truthers see how OBL is similar to Capone many times, in terms of why he isnt charged with 9/11.

Clearly, OBL is, like Capone, the Boss behind the hit. In OBL's case, the hit was 9/11, the hijackers his Paulies and Vinnies. They can never get Capone on the hits, because of this arrangement, and likewise, they have a hard time accumulating the needed evidence to get OBL on 9/11.

TAM

 

[Devil's Advocate]

I appreciate you making this thread, I have tried to make the truthers see how OBL is similar to Capone many times, in terms of why he isnt charged with 9/11.

Clearly, OBL is, like Capone, the Boss behind the hit. In OBL's case, the hit was 9/11, the hijackers his Paulies and Vinnies. They can never get Capone on the hits, because of this arrangement, and likewise, they have a hard time accumulating the needed evidence to get OBL on 9/11.

TAM

I read a site that said the reason the government created Al-Qaeda was so they could use the RECO-Act against Osama, otherwise they could not implicate him at all.
It was off hand, so I did not read how they came to those conclusions.
The only thing I recall was the 'proof' that Osama never ran any groups, he was just a financer to terrorist groups, and that is why so many treated him well because he was the money.
They also claimed the word Al-Qaeda was never once named in history until the government created it through the Moussaoui trial.

 

[MarkyX]

Not to mention that this type of accusation completely goes against the nature of the enemy 9/11 deniers suggest we are facing.

Here we have the government that consists of too many branches like the CIA, FBI, the US military, etc. On 9/11, they committed a horrible crime, resulted in the loss of 3000 Americans. They decided to take a piss on law and order.

But yet when it comes to trying to "frame" Osama and making him a patsy, as they seem to think, the feds have to follow the law to press charges and present evidence.

 

[T.A.M.]

Re: AL Qaeda and it being made up for/during Maoussaoui Trial, I guess they must have borrowed it from CNN, who used it on September 12th 2001.

Few groups in the world would have the resources to carry out such a highly coordinated sequence of destruction, U.S. leaders and terrorism experts said. One of those organizations, they said, would be the al Qaeda group headed by bin Laden, a millionaire who also is the suspected mastermind of the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa.

http://wasearch.loc.gov/sep11/20010...nn.com/2001/US/09/12/investigation.terrorism/

TAM

 

[PhantomWolf]

They also claimed the word Al-Qaeda was never once named in history until the government created it through the Moussaoui trial.

I'd suggest they mean the Embassy Bombing Trial in 2001:

The BBC documentary "The Power of Nightmares" says that the name "al-Qaeda" was first brought to the attention of the public in the 2001 trial of Osama bin Laden and the four men accused of the 1998 United States embassy bombings in East Africa. According to the documentary, the U.S. Department of Justice needed to show that Osama bin Laden was the leader of a criminal organization in order to charge him in absentia under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, also known as the RICO statutes. The name of the organization and details of its structure were provided in the testimony of Jamal al-Fadl, who claimed to be a founding member of the organization and a former employee of Osama bin Laden.

However:

There is at least one public reference to the name "al-Qaeda" that pre-dates the 2001 trial. The name appears with the spelling "al-Qaida" in an executive order issued by President Clinton in 1998, less than two weeks after the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Executive Order 13099, issued on August 20, 1998, lists the organization as one of several associated with Osama bin Laden

and in Oct 2001:

The name 'al-Qaeda' was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al-Qaeda. The name stayed.

News articles about the 1998 embassy bombings refer to OBL's "Terrorist Network" but don't name it, so it would seem that it was established that it existed and that the intelligence community had the name "al-Qaida" in at least 1998 even if the media didn't get it until early 2001 in the trials.